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Although my early teens were technically a few years ago, it wasn't really like that. Rather than plowing through scales I think it is more important to learn music theory first so that everything you practice has reference and infrastructure. This allows you to better encode what you're playing into long term memory, semantically, as it now has relevance. And when you understand the theory you'll be able to work out what you need to practice yourself. Getting a band together and gigging experience is the best thing to do imo, then learn the theory on the side for improvement, or quickly - because you have to.

[quote name='Machines' post='12816' date='Jun 6 2007, 07:05 AM']This pic looks a bit better than the vid. [attachment=469:DSC00808.JPG][/quote] Not nearly enough hair

[quote name='slaphappygarry' post='12745' date='Jun 5 2007, 11:16 PM']5. Trevor Dunn (Mr Bungle)[/quote] Just found [url="http://trevordunn.net/deadbassgoon/index.html"]this[/url] if it's any use.

I don't really see the Aria Pro IIs going up in value. Except perhaps the SB range. I don't think people really took them seriously. I've read reviews with serious artists taking them into studios and then getting laughed at (I think it happened with The Pixies with the CSB-380, although I don't have a source). They're brilliant instruments that will probably always be priced below their worth. Although that pleases me because beginner and intermediate bassists will be able to afford something of quality - which is far more humbling than something like investment potential. It's just a shame they don't get the recognition they deserve. [quote name='Bloodaxe' post='12734' date='Jun 5 2007, 11:02 PM']On the possible bargain front is [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ARIA-PRO-II-2-BASS-SUPERB-QUALITY-VINTAGE-AND-RARE_W0QQitemZ220118549443QQihZ012QQcategoryZ112668QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]this oddity[/url] - looks like a hybrid Aria/Vantage. Certainly in need of a bit of TLC, be interesting to see what it ends up at. Pete.[/quote] That's the [url="http://www.matsumoku.org/models/ariaproii/catalogs/78_pb1500_slick/78_pb1500_slick.jpg.html"]PB-1500[/url]. I saw one on Ebay that sold for £158.

I have a p-special. Precision bass with a p-pup, jazz bridge pup and a jazz neck. I'm not sure they sell passive ones anymore. Mine's far from vintage, but it has vintage pups.

My dad bought a POD for his guitar. After hours online and reading through manuals, I've concluded that the fabled MIDI is some sort of cult philosophy or jah of mystic religion. I'm confident the MIDI will kill us all.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='12123' date='Jun 4 2007, 10:36 PM']Not at all... just stating something which might suprise those who think the company went to the dogs the day after after CBS took over.[/quote] The most powerful bass tone I've ever heard was a '70s Precision, whether I like it or not.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='12010' date='Jun 4 2007, 07:21 PM']It's worth bearing in mind that one of the most sought-after vintage Fender basses exists entirely due to CBS' intervention.... the 66-ish Jazz with dots, binding and oval tuners. It's not at clear-cut as pre-and post CBS. Just sayin'.[/quote] ...are you arguing with me...because I agree with you. Maybe if CBS hadn't stepped in, Fender (descendants, loyal co-workers) would still be making superb instruments and '60s Fenders would be worth about £1000 today.

Excellent, nice find. Wish I still had my 62 ri.

My apologies, I'm feeling lazy and I haven't read the other posts. Not being pre-CBS, I wouldn't have thought '70s instruments would be worth a lot. But I think it's more about style than quality. In my opinion, '70s Fenders are the most unique and styalised of all time Fender. Their use of colour, the black pickguard mainly and the simple black logo give the decade a humble honesty which echoes the simplistic but powerful heavy music of the time. I'm sure there's a key thing to do with regression as well. For the prime of the experienced oldie rocker born in the '50s, I bet the '70s P reminds them of their youth and some of the most exciting times of their lives. It might not technically be the best, but it's theirs and they wouldn't swap it for the world.

Alas, no reply on the strings thread. Here's a more appropriate place. [quote name='paul, the' post='11057' date='Jun 2 2007, 03:24 PM']Oh, quick question for anyone: What's the lower limit on importing from outside the EU? A set of strings costing £29 (that's with postage) from America, would they charge duty/customs/whatever? Cheers, Paul.[/quote] Thank you, paul.

[quote name='Darcy' post='2866' date='May 20 2007, 01:16 PM']Very dangrous site, lots of things sparking GAS attack [attachment=153:Telebass.jpg] Never seen one of these before.....interesting Semi Telebass 70's neckbucker and jazz at bridge, wonder what that sounds like?[/quote] Wow. That's just lovely.

I've just seen this on Ebay - it ends in just under 4 hours [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1981-ARIA-PRO-II-CARDINAL-CSB-380-BASS-MADE-IN-JAPAN_W0QQitemZ230137300436QQihZ013QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1981-ARIA-PRO-II-CAR...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url] It's a Medium scale passive (which the seller hasn't mentioned) bass. A three day listing with a reserve. So out of the few people that do see it, few of them will bid. It's the first I've seen in the two months I've been looking. If I wasn't so happy with my p-special and full-scale in general, I would have a go for about £160 myself. Here's a sound clip, it's certainly one of my favourites on the site: [url="http://clanesb.free.fr/bass/fichiers/190420061741574f381a1ff4ffd4c3885de761cbb3b80a.mp3"]http://clanesb.free.fr/bass/fichiers/19042...761cbb3b80a.mp3[/url] (http://sondebasse.c.la/) --- Please let me know if this is the wrong place to post this sort of thing, or whether it should be in 'basses for sale' thread, Cheers, Paul.

[quote name='Paul Cooke' post='11200' date='Jun 2 2007, 09:59 PM'][url="http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/7368"]http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/fl...product_id/7368[/url] postage is a bit ridiculous though...[/quote] I wonder how many sets they sell.

[quote name='Paul Cooke' post='10378' date='Jun 1 2007, 08:14 AM']this is a Bass??? [url="http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index.cfm?method=site.product&product_id=1759"]http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index...product_id=1759[/url] yup, it's a Bass... [url="http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/images/p_1759_2.jpg"]http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/images/p_1759_2.jpg[/url] anyroad... I like these: [url="http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index.cfm?method=site.product&product_id=3244"]http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index...product_id=3244[/url] [url="http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index.cfm?method=site.product&product_id=3072"]http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index...product_id=3072[/url] [url="http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index.cfm?method=site.product&product_id=3271"]http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index...product_id=3271[/url] [url="http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index.cfm?method=site.product&product_id=3134"]http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/index...product_id=3134[/url] only thing is, I don't want to enquire what the prices are... I'd get depressed knowing I could never own one unless I were to win on the premium bonds... OK, what are the signs of that bodyguard coating then? the weird "bars" visible on the rear view? [url="http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/images/p_3293_2.JPG"]http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/images/p_3293_2.JPG[/url] the thick yellowy looking stuff on the view of the pots? [url="http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/images/p_3293_4.JPG"]http://www.vintageandrareguitars.com/images/p_3293_4.JPG[/url][/quote] I went to their shop in Bath. It was heaven - they made an offer on my Kustom Charger, but I hadn't had it long at that point. They had two of those Fender VIs - try finding strings for one!

Oh, quick question for anyone: What's the lower limit on importing outside the EU? A set of strings costing £29 (that's with postage) from America, would they charge duty/customs/whatever? Cheers, Paul.

I'm using DR nckl pltd Lo-Riders (£15). They've lost their zing after 2 weeks of playing and now I really like them. I'm looking forward to trying out TI Jazz Flats and Elite Groundwounds, thanks to Bass ferret's recommendation. Oh and GHS Brite Flats (actually ground apparently). Some string reviews here: [url="http://www.bgra.net/2004/index.php?content=feature&page=strings"]http://www.bgra.net/2004/index.php?content...mp;page=strings[/url]

I agree with the F9 fo' sho'. It's great to have the last line of the verses and bridge laid out for me like that. I was basically playing them, except I was playing the 6th in G#m6 and the flattened 7 in D#7 (both B ). I've got it down now, thanks CK! paul.

It didn't cross my mind to look on the internet. They don't normally have songs like this on there. Anyway the following site has basically the same thing I came up with originally (with the A and D major chords). It also agrees with the 3rd screwy verse I-V idea - which makes me very pleased indeed - As I was worried I was completely wrong. [url="http://www.chordie.com/chord.pere/www.guitaretab.com/w/wonder-stevie/21046.html"]http://www.chordie.com/chord.pere/www.guit...evie/21046.html[/url] --- I'll try out your last post CK. I'm going to keep playing this until I get it right.

Okay, it's late, I don't want to wake anyone up so I'm sat here quietly plucking away at a classical acoustic whilst listening to the song through headphones on a laptop that either plays quiet bass or distorted bass. But that doesn't matter as it's the chords I'm looking for. When I said it changes to A in the verses I think it's actually C# - which obviously makes more sense but I'm used to Stevie's surprises. - [b]EDIT[/b] - I've gone back to A and D. Lyrics from: [url="http://artists.letssingit.com/stevie-wonder-lyrics-as-7c7n6x2"]http://artists.letssingit.com/stevie-wonde...rics-as-7c7n6x2[/url] On the first verse it's after "And the rosebuds know to bloom in early may" it there's a chord change to C# (I think) instead of the regular E. It then does this after second line in each verse. Although the C# still doesn't sound low enough to me. What I'm trying to say (I'm doing a terrible job I know) after "dream" (third verse) with the Eb - I think it all moves up five semitones on to the E. But instead of being I-IV it's now I-V, from the E to the original B. Then like the C# I'm proposing exists at the end of the second line in the first and second verses - on the third verse it's now Gb (after: "Her acceptance is the way we pay") And then the pre-chorus part at the end of the third (screwy) verse "To last through forever and another day" performs a turnaround to the original chord pattern B-E (I-IV). But I'm just working that out now, I think it starts on the C# (01:20). Right I think through "To last through forever and another" C# is played and then it moves to Eb on the day and then Ab before the 4th verse. But I really need to learn the specific notes. [b]Intro[/b] |B---|E---|B---|E---| [b]1st Verse:[/b] B--------------------------------------------------------E-------------------------------------------------------| As around the sun the earth knows she's revolving B--------------------------------------------------------A-------------------------------------------------------| And the rosebuds know to bloom in early may B--------------------------------------------------------E-------------------------------------------------------| Just as hate knows love's the cure | You can rest your mind assure ------Ab----Bb------------------Eb---------C# (although bass plays differently, possibly: Ab, Bb, Ab, Gb) That I'll be loving you always [b]2nd Verse:[/b] B--------------------------------------------------------E--------------------------------------------------------| As now can't reveal the mystery of tomorrow B--------------------------------------------------------A--------------------------------------------------------| But in passing will grow older every day B--------------------------------------------------------E--------------------------------------------------------| Just as all that's born is new | You know what I say is true ------Ab----Bb----------Eb Ab That I'll be loving you always [b]Chorus:[/b] Ab--------Bb-------------------B-----------------C# -----------------| (Until the rainbow burns the stars out in the sky) Ab--------Bb-------------------B-----------------C# -----------------| (Until the ocean covers every mountain high) Ab--------Bb-------------------B--------------C# --------------------| (Until the dolphin flies and parrots live at sea) Ab--------Bb-------------------B--------------F9----------------------| (Until we dream of life and life becomes a dream) [b]3rd (screwy) Verse:[/b] E--------------------------------------------B--------------------------------------------| Did you know that true love asks for nothing E-------------------------------------D---------------------------------------------------| Her acceptance is the way we pay E--------------------------------------------B--------------------------------------------| Did you know that life has given love a guarantee -----C#-------------------------------------Eb----Ab (Gb)? To last through forever and another day Then 4th and 5th verses and repeated chorus+bridge, outro chorus. ---- I'll try playing this tomorrow on an instrument that's in tune. I know a lot of it will be wrong as I'm almost tone deaf. Please tell me what changes to make and if I agree, I'll edit. (It didn't take as long as it looks ) Cheers, Paul.

I had a quick play with an acoustic guitar and t sounds a little funny after "dream." Are you sure it doesn't move up a fourth/ a string? I'll spend some time on it Monday and figure it out properly.

Relatively, that's extremely good value.

[quote name='Crazykiwi' post='10714' date='Jun 1 2007, 07:09 PM']There's an Eb half note which comes in on the lyric 'dream' and leads back into the E¦B pattern. Is that the bit you're after? Its a passing note too, so don't get too hung up on how it fits into the key.[/quote] Thank you! That really trips me up. I'll give it a try in a minute.

This is a long shot but: Calling out to anyone with good ears - Trying to play along to "As" by Stevie and I'd like to know if anyone knows what happens after the first chorus? I can't work out the note when the backing singers sing "dream" and then what happens after that before it returns to the normal chord structure. I can't work out whether its a key change or whether "dream" is just a funny note that plays psychological tricks and throws you off. Sorry if what I have asked is unclear. I would greatly appreciate any help. It starts in a major patter in B - going from B to E with the odd A chord. The pre-chorus takes a minor pattern - is box shaped - like VI-VII-III-II (Ab, Bb, Eb, C#) And the chorus minor pattern from the 6th chromatic in B major - VI-VII-I-II (Ab, Bb, B, C#) Cheers, Paul.

[quote name='john_the_bass' post='10377' date='Jun 1 2007, 08:12 AM']I'm thinking of letting my '84 MIJ Precision go, but reading this I'm not so sure I should[/quote] I don't think you should only keep a bass for investment potential. It should be loved and played or it should be for sale. The basses that I own but no longer play (my first bass and my first 4/4), I've lent to friends and family. That way I know they are mine and are safe, but they are still being played - they're not worth much monetarily mind.