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[quote name='The Hat' timestamp='1365780498' post='2044480'] Would appreciate any help. As a beginner, even though its not a hard tune, any help would be greatly appreciated. [/quote] As well as the advice/tips given so far, I would say to work on it in small chunks at a time, using the slow down soft ware that Musky linked. As others have said, forget about the fills for now and get the root notes down first. Then move to the next section and do the same. When you can playalong to the song using just root notes, then work on adding the fills.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1365679791' post='2042716'] It's not for the sake of it, they are expressing opinions and it's interesting to see trends emerge, such as massive Geddy fans disliking his bass sounds. It's interesting. [/quote] Fair enough. I wont hijack the thread any further.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1365679223' post='2042699'] Nobody has dissed anything dude [/quote] Well... it appeared like that to me. [quote name='megallica' timestamp='1365668465' post='2042477'] . Any other nominations for what you might deem a crap bass sound? [/quote]

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1365678951' post='2042692'] But surely the object is to learn from this. Rarely are discussions futile. For example I am now interested to try Optima Gold strings on my Strat. [/quote] OK, I accept your point. What I am getting at is, people dissing ( not yourself, I am talking generally) other people's tone, just for the sake of it.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1365678090' post='2042675'] Of course there isn't, but what is your point? [/quote] My point is that it is a futile discussion. Someone has a certain tone, you either like it or you dont.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1365675799' post='2042625'] Timbre of instruments can really affect my enjoyment of a piece of music. Jaco playing Exodus with that horrible tone of his would totally f*** me up. [/quote] Fair enough, and I agree. However there is nothing we can do about it, if we dont like someone's tone.

Tone, like the strings that are partly responsible for it, among other things, is strictly a personal taste, like you say. Some people swear by flat strings, others hate them. This is life. Don't worry about other people's tone. Once you have found yours, and are happy with it, that's all that matters. Regarding the tone in the clip.......I love it.

[quote name='leroydiamond' timestamp='1365524983' post='2040712'] The Auto grab clamps on the Hercules tend to break down pretty quickly. [/quote] Well..., no problems yet, after four years of constant use.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1365498156' post='2040234'] I think a pretty good stand (or the best I've found) is the Ultimate Genesis GS-100. [url="http://www.ultimatesupport.com/product/GS-100"]http://www.ultimates.../product/GS-100[/url] [/quote] ....or the Hercules. [url="http://www.thomann.de/ie/hercules_stands_gs_415_b.htm?sid=59fd5415088b1e1d74abec7716a09168"]http://www.thomann.de/ie/hercules_stands_gs_415_b.htm?sid=59fd5415088b1e1d74abec7716a09168[/url]

[quote name='Junkyard Rocket' timestamp='1365462892' post='2040066'] This one: [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Planet-Waves-PW-GR-01-Guitar-Rest/dp/B004N0MKN8"]http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/B004N0MKN8[/url] Wouldn't be much good for a Jazz, Jag or t-bird [/quote] Does not look very secure. I certainly would not trust it.

The old chestnut.. "playing with a pick".., just had to be there.

[b]"The threshold of pain, depending on the frequency composition, is to find between 120 dB and 140 dB."[/b] A quote taken from the site linked below. If you look at the chart on that site, it gives examples of different noise levels and what causes them. As I see it, any band with guitars, drums and bass, is going to harm your hearing, unless you protect your ears. It is impossible for this type of band to play quietly enough to do otherwise. [url="http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfSoundPressureLevels.htm"]http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TableOfSoundPressureLevels.htm[/url]

For those not familiar with Chordify, it works like this. You go onto You Tube, copy and paste the url bar, then go go the Chordify site and paste the url into a box. Voila !!....the chords are given in real time, as the You Tube clip is playing. OP, it is possible to Google "chords for XYZ" songs and get hundreds of sites, each giving just that. Granted they will not be in real time, nor can you loop them as in Chordify. So, as far as sales of song sheets is concerned, I cant see Chordify being any different to any of the other chord sites.

[quote name='essexbasscat' timestamp='1365364260' post='2038654'] Best bet = start with the G.P. and take it from there. [/quote] +1. Sorry OP, but this is the best advice you can (should) expect on a bass forum. Get it professionally diagnosed and treated....and get well soon.

[quote name='danthevan' timestamp='1365086960' post='2035130'] Oh, and i can't play guitar for toffee, [/quote] Neither can I.... The bass was always the instrument that I was drawn towards... not that I am any Victor Wooten on that either.

[quote name='danthevan' timestamp='1365085672' post='2035094'] If you know what notes form a chord, then you should be able to play any of those notes when the guitarist is playing that chord........... i think! [/quote] Spot on ! but generally the bassist will play at least three notes from the chord. The main difference between a bassist and a guitarist playing a chord is that the guitarist will play all the notes at the same time, as in strumming, and 95% of the time the bassist will play the same chord one note at a time. When a chord is played this way, it is called an arpeggio.

[quote name='iconic' timestamp='1365085135' post='2035074'] yup, never seen a chord list like that either, quite cool [/quote] The reason that I listed the diatonic chords in the "stacked thirds" way, was because when it was explained to me in this way, the light bulbs started to come on. If you do this with any scale (i,e. write them out as I did), then you have all the chords contained in that scale. This method also explains how some chords are minor and some major. The third of a chord determines this. Quite often, people's knowledge of scales consists of playing from root to root all over the neck. Nothing wrong with this, but they never go on to learn the function of scales or how to go about using them.

[quote name='The Dark Lord' timestamp='1365080027' post='2034955'] Just a bit of an eye-opener to me to see all that theory. [/quote] While the task of learning some theory can seem a daunting one, if it is done in small "bite size" chunks and (like I was saying earlier) in a step by step way, building on what went before, you would be surprised at how much you can learn in a comparitively short time. Even a half an hour a day studying some theory would be sufficient to start with. Small ask for such big rewards. I am by no means an expert on theory. My knowledge of it is very basic. The above method is how I have gotten to where I am now, and how I intend to continue.

[quote name='The Dark Lord' timestamp='1365063372' post='2034628'] I read all the stuff below and my only thought was ....... WTF ? Respect to you indeed, but I play in a covers band that rocks the roof off of pubs and I have no idea about musical theory. [/quote] Lol !!....and long may you continue to rock. Yes, there are lots of people who get by without a knowledge of music theory. However, if you read the OP's post, he says that he has become frustrated because of his lack of music theory. He is not the first person I have come across to admit this. Lots of people I have come across on forums admit that not knowing some theory, limits their playing. They say that they find themselves playing the same old licks and lines all the time, and want to break out of the confines that they find themselves in. There is no doubt but that knowing some basic theory can only be an asset in progressing on an instrument. What, if you later decide that you no longer want to play covers ? It all depends on the type of music you want to play, and how far you wish to go with the instrument. For example, in an originals band, if the song writer says to you... "here is the chord sheet for "X" song",... would you know what to do ? How would you come up with your own original bass lines ? Or if you wanted to write your own songs, how would you convey to others what you want ? As a session bassist, playing everything from Elvis to Coltrane and everything in between, I doubt if you would get far without some theory knowledge. So, yes, you will get by without it, but having a basic knowledge of theory can IMO only enhance your enjoyment and understanding of music, and following on from that, the playing of it.

[quote name='FLoydElgar' timestamp='1364978502' post='2033443'] Don't put yourself down before you start. Just look at it as you have a desire for information and take your time in understanding! If you rush you either miss out important parts that underline your knowledge or you'll freeze and give up because " you're not learning fast enough"... i.e each and everyone has a different capacity for learning and speeds of learning some people are 2Gb RAM and others are 16Gb RAM... Doesn't mean that 2Gb person will not get it in the end just takes a bit longer, but worthwhile!! goodluck! [/quote] Good post, and very important points. Quite often, people get frustrated because they feel they are not progressing fast enough. This can often lead to them giving up playing altogether, which is a shame. Learning is merely a process that no one ever reaches the end of. Learning from the internet can be great, but quite often it is hard for a beginner to know where to start, given the oceans of information available. Often they jump in mid way, only to find that they reach an impasse and have to back pedal to learn some basics. What is required is a site where each lesson builds on the information gleaned form the previous ones. That is why I linked the "Study Bass" site. The lessons are in chronological order here.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1364924766' post='2032774'] Get a piano, it's all laid out in front of you. [/quote] Agreed. OP, the information in my post will be clearer if you use a keyboard.

You have mentioned the word "scales" a couple of times, but not one mention of "chord tones". No one will argue about how important it is to know your scales, but equally important from a bassist's point of view are chord tones. IMO, a good place to start is to learn how chords are derived from scales. For example the Cmaj scale consists of the notes CDEFGAB (1-7 ) Chord tones are made up by taking every other note of the scale (1357 etc). So taking the Cmaj scale, if we take 1,3 and 5 we get CEG which is the Cmaj chord. If we add the seventh note B we get CEGB which is Cmaj7. Another way to look at it is by what is sometimes called "stacking thirds". Lets take our Cmaj scale again. This time we put the scale at the bottom and build upwards, starting each line on the third note from the line below. So : BCDEFGA GABCDEF EFGABCD CDEFGAB Now, if we read the columns from left to right from the bottom up, we get all the chords in the Cmaj scale. So, our first column is CEGB which is Cmaj7, the second column is DFAC which is Dm7. The reason I am telling you this is to emphasise the importance of knowing about chord tones. This is the key to coming up with your own original bass lines. When you digest this, you could start on chord tone inversions. A great web site that explains things very simply is "Study Bass". Here it talks about the importance of chord tones. [url="http://www.studybass.com/lessons/bass-chord-patterns/chord-tones-are-primary/"]http://www.studybass...es-are-primary/[/url] Another good way of getting to grips with chord tones and their inversions is to learn walking bass lines. Even if you dont like jazz, learning walking bass lines will help you to create your own lines. Here is a series of lessons by Dave Marks which you should find helpful. [url="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dave+marks+walking+bass+lesson+01&oq=dave+marks+walking+bass&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0l3.3067.10791.0.13257.23.12.0.11.11.0.142.1044.11j1.12.0...0.0...1ac.1.42qldTWIiFA"]http://www.youtube.c...c.1.42qldTWIiFA[/url]

[quote name='wriggers' timestamp='1364654632' post='2029278'] Old age!! Bloomin'eck, bury me now before I start decomposing walking down the street. [/quote] You can get CTS or RSI at any age.

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1364580174' post='2028502'] tried them once did not like - i may give them another try or might try some half rounds [/quote] You never know,,,,after thirty six years you might have a different opinion now.