Wolverinebass

[quote name='clivem' timestamp='1506080148' post='3376298'] This'll be my first bass bash! Looking forward to meeting people tomorrow! I've managed to injure my blinking hand this morning, which has me now thinking about what I'm going to bring tomorrow..... I think it's gonna have to be light! (Don't think there is going to be much chance of me man-handling anything big and heavy in/out of the car. So the big stuff (tube amps and 212/410 cabs) will be staying at home. I think an Eden WTX-264 with a Barefaced 110 is going to be what I bring for an amp. I've already decided to bring 3 "lower end" basses (hopefully) to sell. Now I'm thinking about what other basses to bring. Is there anything from this list that anyone would particularly like to have a play with? (Won't have room to bring them all.) Fender Elite Dimension IV Gibson 2017 EB IV Ibanez SR1300 Premium IV Ibanex BTB1405 Premium V [/quote] Dimension would be interesting. And the Gibson.

Before Peavey pulled out of the UK a couple of years ago, just beforehand the Bass Centre was doing an unofficial firesale of Trace Elliott products. I remember quite clearly that you could have got a brand new 4x10 or 1x15 for £250 each. Now, we get a 2x8 cab for £600 that wouldn't fill a matchbox with sound and an amp so small I'm sure that toddlers would ask "is that it?!!" That's a ton of cash for something so small that doesn't say Barefaced, Bergantino, Vanderkley or Baer on the front. Trace have to seriously up their game here not the prices.

[quote name='Marty Forrer' timestamp='1504088626' post='3362553'] Seems to me all you people wanting Alex to include this whistle and that bell are forgetting the two most important items of all. There is not one single amp on the market that makes a good espresso, and there is not one single amp on the market that has a built-in beer-holder. C'mon guys... priorities! [/quote] Why not a pop out cigarette lighter? Your amp will be incomplete and functionally useless for the working musician without one. All those deep looks of longing across venues ripe with sexual tension will be merely memories without one. Bass players as a species will die out as they won't be able to procreate. On the other hand, most people who asked for a soda stream will probably be more than happy with a tuner or compressor. Bass players are funny like that...

[quote name='Merton' timestamp='1503762625' post='3360792'] Late to the party but was going to say "I'm sure I've seen one of these recently" Your rig sounded amazing Andy, whatever the technical term for it if it's not true biamping, it can destroy walls [/quote] Thanks Martin. It was good to meet you and try out some of your brilliant basses. I guess the crossover was very apparent on the 12ver where you really need the clean lows and when you hear the treble which is all really distorted and quad chorused (on a 12!! I need help! Ha!) it tends to sound horrible. Mix them together though and it just works amazingly well. You keep the bottom, as well as bringing out all the chime and harmonics in the top. I would call mine "pseudo bi-amping" as the highs and lows get mixed back to a single mono signal rather than going to different cabs. It works for me. It might not for everyone.

Six. Hundred. Quid. For a 2x8. Jog on.

[quote name='dannybuoy' timestamp='1503182304' post='3356337'] New 'Alpha Omicron' on the way! https://www.talkbass.com/attachments/photo-8-19-17-1-04-13-am-png.1555823/ [/quote] They've missed a trick by not calling it "Unicron."

[quote name='HazBeen' timestamp='1503341292' post='3357440'] Look what I found! [Img]https://www.parts-express.com/Data/Default/Images/Catalog/Original/245-1182_HR_0.jpg[/IMG] [/quote] That's what I use in my rig, but I mix the signal back to mono once the treble side is processed.

[quote name='la bam' timestamp='1503333988' post='3357350'] Amp wise: For me rotary dials are best as you can make fairly accurate notes what your settings are - ie 12 o'clock, 3 o'clock etc. But what I'd really like is dials that click into the desired position and don't move easily like a usual dial once set. This ensures your settings don't move about during transportation, set up and removal, even when in a case. The amount of gigs I've done where I've had to continually check every dial when setting up and sound checking is annoying, so a good dial thst clicks into position would be great. [/quote] No dude, you need an amp or pre-amp that has midi recallable settings. Then it won't matter if you move the dials in transit as it won't make any difference when the patch is called up. Come to think of it, if Alex is reading this, do midi pots on your amp and you'd keep the analogue signal path but have the ability to save the settings.

[quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1502807387' post='3353670'] I was thinking about planting a TE sticker in the ground and trying to grow one. No more fantastic than the saga so far.... Imagine if there are faults with this batch and they have to go back.... [/quote] You mean "problems" other than the inherent problem of it only being 200w? I feel sorry for you squire. TE are being morons with this and I've have had my money back long ago. Plus, you do realise that the longer this drags on the greater the likelihood that the amp will be total underpowered crap making you wonder why you ordered it in the first place? Dissatisfaction breeds dissatisfaction.

[quote name='Rocker' timestamp='1502729015' post='3353164'] I don't understand how the TX600 can be deemed underpowered. The spec is 600 Watts at 4 Ohms, 400 Watts at 8 Ohms. If the amp can output that many watts, surely it is the speaker(s) that are letting the side down. Confused [/quote] It's because much like TC Electronic before them, Hartke have cooked the books. I had a shot of one a few weeks ago and it was laughable how low the output was. I would have said it was 300w at 4 ohms. Even at that I felt it was straining. I don't like the LH series because the EQ is rubbish, but there can be no mistake about the power of them. They're devastatingly loud. Even my own HA5500 will cause people to lose their fillings when cranked. The TX600 to my ears isn't even as loud as an HA2000.

Whilst Mark King is a divisive character in terms of his playing style, I don't think it could be argued he is amazingly good at what he does. However, I thought that if the captions on the front cover had been altered to a style befitting Cosmopolitan magazine it'd be hilarious: Mark King - "Why middle aged men want to be me."

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1502618315' post='3352437'] I may be wrong but the Elf is going to be nothing like the old Trace stuff, can't really see the point of having a head that small, a class D with no graphic, how can it be? [/quote] Exactly. It's a triumph of marketing over common sense for every unit they sell. It'll be underpowered rubbish trading off the gimmick that it weighs less than a Higgs-Boson particle.

I find this stuff so funny. Considering that the advert is the closest thing to the amp that Mick and any other poor unfortunate soul who has ordered it will get to owning this travesty, maybe it's time that we wrote our own advertising slogans. "Trace Elliot Elf -the heavyweight amp for oompah loompahs." "Trace Elliot Elf - your wait has barely began."

I would imagine that most people don't have Trace Elliot stuff is because the Elf head date continues to be pushed back. Ha! However, on a serious note, I still have my old boxer 15 practice and which still works perfectly after 18 years.

Hartke haven't done anything decent for a decade. It's a tragedy that despite lots of people liking the LH series (I hate them) their best and is still the HA5500 and that is a 20 year old design. The kilo isn't great and unreliable if reports are to be believed and the TX600 is so underpowered as to be laughable. They seriously have to get their act together as the brand has went downhill.

Will be along. Have to figure out what to bring though. Certainly looking forward to meeting folk and seeing Andy Jr's work in the flesh. 01. Hamster - 02. Silverfoxnik - BC Rich Eagle, Squier P Bass, Ander Vanderend JB5, Eden Traveller WT400 amp & Genz 2x12 cab 03. Steve Browning - some Precisions, Boogie M-Pulse 600 and Boogie Subway 15 cabs, Mesa Walkabout 15. 04. obbm - 2 x Spector Short scales. 05. Pawel G - Squier JV Precision and maybe others 06. Stingray5 - MusicMan and Tune basses; Trace Elliot and/or Eden amplification; Boss GT-6B. 07. Markstuk - Dingwall Z3, Lakland BG 5, BF Big Twin, Thunderfunk TF750a. 08. Cetera - Spector NS2, Spector Euro, Hamer Impact, Wal fretless, one or two more to be decided, big Pedalboard (!), GK800RB, GenzBenz Neox 212T 09. Johnthebassist - '69 Jazz Bass, GenzBenz Shuttle 9, Barefaced S12T, gang of smelly pedals 10.Timmo 11. Barneyg42 12.Walman - FPPR Status S1 - well it wouldn't be a SEBB without Barney's old bass now mine, however this year for the first time it won't have a for sale sticker on it 13.Rumblefish- Reverend Rumblefish,Wal Bass,Mesa M600,Berg CN212. 14. Happy Jack } .........................} with a love that'll see you through 15. Bluejay........} 16. bassace - double bass, Felix Preamp, Puma 500 amp and Genzler 10-2 cab. 17. ChunkyMunky - Zon Sonus Custom 5, Yamaha BB425x, Genz Benz Shuttle 12.0 etc.. 18. MacDaddy 19. louisthebass 20. TrevorR - 2 Wals, an Aria SB700, a Markbass LMII and 2x10 plus some pedals... 21. jhk - yamaha TRB6P, MM stingray 5 fretless, GB Spitfire Fiver, Eden cabs plus Eden wt600 and EBS 22. Seer73 - 2 or 3 lefty basses + amp of some sort - TBD as having GAS issues at the minute 23 - Thestick - Wal , Ken smith , Jeff finch, Aguilar amp 24 - Chris_b 25 - Pete.Young - Yamaha BBNE2, Duesenberg Star, pimped Bass Collection SB465, LMII, EBS Neo 2x12 26 -Grangur - BF One10 and Warwicks Streamer SS1 4-string, Streamer LX 4 Fretless, Jazzman FNA 5 , Corvette 4, Corvette Bubinga 5 27. Captain Rumble - Vanderklay MNT212, Thunderfunk, Xotic jazz 28. Graham - Lakland DJ5, G&L SB2, EBS HD350, EBS Neo 2x12 29. Mangotango - Fernandes Gravity 5x, Dean Pace,TC Electronics BG250-112 30. Andyjr1515 - Kert's Camphor Single Cut, Pete's Piccolo Bass, Pete's EB-3 ish custom builds 31. Wolverinebass

Being quite serious here, people such as Wooten don't need this except for the endorsement money. He's incredibly technically gifted (regardless what you think of his stuff) and he doesn't need this nonsense to mute his strings. Quite frankly, after hearing Sibob play at a bass bash a few years ago, I wouldn't say he does either as I thought he had excellent chops. For me, as I quite often play 12 or 8 string basses, the stuff that this hairband is trying to stop is one of the things that is integral to the sound of them. If it helps people out, great, but I do think it has a slight whiff of snake oil about it. Marketing tripe to make you doubt your ability to mute a string with your left hand. At least, it could be argued that way. Some people would consider the noise "character." Others would say it's "rubbish." No opinion is exclusively right.

I never liked the older 4x10s. Especially the combos as there was no tweeter. However, the valve stuff kills. I even like the peavey era amps actually. All Trace have to do is put the classic pre-amp (or better yet the mp11 with valve Drive and compression) in a box with a 1000w class D engine. There, I've fixed your brand problems in one go. Plus if they went mp11, all the knobs and e settings would be midi controllable so you'd have ludicrous flexibility. Are you listening Trace Elliot?!! Stop with this Elf nonsense and give us some proper gear to drool over!! You know it's underpowered, so do we. Nobody is fooled.

Whilst this thread is kind of amusing in a car crash "how long before Mick asks for a refund whilst TE string him and ever other person along who's pre-ordered one" kind of way, it is intensely unamusing that after all this stress, hardship and chasing them to the gates of Hades for a delivery date, the amp (if it ever arrives) will probably be an underpowered matchbox gimmick only capable of holding it's own against a drummer with brushes. I can't see how a 200w class D amp will cut it in any loud situation at all. Were it 1000w I'd be saying it was genius, but not for 200w. I hope it doesn't go this way.

We shall indeed see. From the pictures of the chassis, I think that the crossover may prove to be fixed rather than variable. Certainly, the xlr outs appear to have been limited to one as you would expect. In truth, I can get the vast majority of this sound with my PSA 1.1 and a bit of delicate EQ. Let's be fair, there will be no midi or presets on this. What you're getting is a stompbox/preamp. An exceptional one and one at the moment without peer, but that's what it is if you choose to look at it uncharitably. A distortion pedal. Say those last 3 words next to "£450" and you'd imagine they might not sell many regardless as to how good it sounds. Which is a pity. I'd be much more interested in what functionality they've had to cut out to fit it in that box and how that changes the pedal from the amp. I guess then people would be able to draw a more accurate conclusion of where they felt the line of it being too expensive would lie.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1500474956' post='3338097'] Well Chase Bliss have just released a delay pedal for £499..... ....man things are expensive. [/quote] £500 for a delay pedal with no presets or midi implementation?! Pfft. Jog on.

[quote name='Cuzzie' timestamp='1500414612' post='3337658'] I think it will be a £3-500 bracket. If it does produce that sound at a quarter or the dug amp price it's a winner [/quote] Yeah, that's the thing though isn't it? A quarter of the price here is actually more than £600 wheras in the US that'd be $400. Not that I think it'll be that much over here of course as I don't believe anyone would buy it at that price. To put that into context my PSA 1.1 was £500 in 2009 and that's got functionality and flexibility in spades. I consider it my favourite preamp of all time actually. I appreciate with the form being distilled down to what looks like the Bass Flyrig chassis, some functionality will inevitably be lost (more than likely the multiple XLRs if I were to guess), but I think once you push past £350 for a pedal things are getting quite difficult to justify. Even Darkglass haven't went past that marker yet. They will eventually of course, but I'd imagine that they'd need someone even more renowned for dirt than Jon Stockman to do that. Justin Chancellor maybe? However I digress. What I'd really like is presets. Even if it were just 3 like the programmable Sansamp. Do that, or preferably make it controllable by midi and that's the point I'd go to more than £4-500 for it as it'd be absolutely unbeatable and worth the price. I guess we can wait and see come January what the pricing structure might be.

[quote name='Cuzzie' timestamp='1500407034' post='3337585'] Well if you can't buy the amp How about this https://www.facebook.com/jon.willis.7906/posts/1896917300569338 [/quote] Yeah, I saw that. Sounds fantastic. I look forward to trying it or getting one when it comes out early next year. I'd be very interested in what the control layout is and if it's the same as the amp or not. If this pedal ends up being horrifically expensive then I'm probably much less interested. Not that I'm sure what's equivalent. Maybe the Darkglass Alpha Omega? That's about £300 or so. I guess we can wait and see. Sounds brilliant though.

[quote name='yorks5stringer' timestamp='1500203690' post='3336164'] Well it's good to know it really will fit in your back pocket: (warning: gratuitously stupid sexist content follows) [attachment=249175:elf_backpocket.jpg] [/quote] Yeah, you wonder which idiot in marketing thought that photo was a good idea. "That'll never look even remotely sexist will it?" asked the directors. Oh....

A modern take on it would be the now discontinued ESP Viper. Admittedly, the circuit is rubbish, but it does play quite well. The Warwick Jack Bruce is great apart from the 38mm nut which put me off. A friend has an epiphone EB0 and there is like no treble at all. The EB3 I played was roughly the same as well, but had a better neck. Depends what you like.