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As someone whose band has been releasing vinyl there are pros and cons... Pros: It looks and feels great. An album on 12" vinyl is big serious statement of intent. Even a 7" single looks more impressive than a CD, and with my graphic designer's hat on, you really can't beat the enlarged canvas that vinyl packaging allows you. It's popular. I'll be the first to admit, that one of the main reasons we've been releasing our music on vinyl is because we sell more copies and make more profit per copy sold, than if it was released just on CD. Cons: It doesn't really sound very good. Admittedly the quality of vinyl these days is substantially better than it was back in the 70s and 80s when I was last buying it. I dug out some albums and 12" singles from the early 80s in order to play them the other day, and compared with even a modern "low quality" 120g pressing they felt flimsy and insubstantial. However a well produced and mastered 16Bit 441.1kHz digital file will always out-perform even the best vinyl from a sonic PoV. The CD version of the Terrortones album sounds better than the vinyl version when played back to back. Each version was specifically mastered for the intended delivery medium, but unfortunately vinyl simply can't compete sonically. There are all sorts of technical limitations to what can be reproduced on vinyl when it comes to bass, stereo imaging and phase effects. None of these affect digital files. You need decent (and expensive) playback equipment to get the best out of it. A digital file just needs a good quality DAC, and these days the gap in quality between consumer grade and professional DACs is not very big and it's getting smaller all the time. While it's perfectly possible to enjoy your vinyl on a junk-shop Dansette (although these are by no means cheap any more), to get the best out of it you need to invest in a good quality turntable, tone arm, cartridge etc. and get them set up properly and keep them maintained. Even then, every time you play your vinyl you are damaging it. A good deck and careful handling of the medium will minimise this, but ultimately every play wears the record slightly. A properly backed-up digital file will last forever and sound exactly the same as the day it was digitised. It is expensive to produce and therefore expensive for consumers to buy. 500 copies of the Terrortones album cost £4000 to make including the recording. We could have had 1000 CDs for around half of that. On top the increased production costs of the actual vinyl over CD, there was the increased printing and production costs for the larger 12" packaging, and finally there was the cost of the extra mastering optimised for vinyl cutting, as well as the standard digital master for downloads. It's heavy and bulky to store and easy to damage. Both for the producer and consumer. My large collection of CDs occupies the wall one side of the chimney breast in my lounge, and if I really wanted I could pack them all away in a handful of boxes, and just listen to the versions stored on my iTunes server. I dread to think how much space (and what sort of re-enforced shelving) I'd need if it was all on vinyl. The first Terrortones release - 500 CDs came in couple of easily lifted cardboard boxes. 500 copies of the album on vinyl was 6 very heavy boxes on a pallet! Also because of the size and weight of the vinyl, they had suffered damage in transit and I had to replace the paper sleeves of a whole box worth of records. Then when it comes to mailing them out, CDs can go in a small jiffy bag with a bit of extra bubble wrap. Total P&P cost for a UK address under £2.00. The vinyl needs a proper album mailer with a cardboard stiffener, and is a lot heavier with a total P&P cost of around £4.00. All of that has to passed on the the consumer. So, as an artefact vinyl is great. Even a 7" single is big and impressive, but as a delivery medium for music - which after all is what it is designed for - there's a lot of better ways to do it nowadays. BTW. For those who are analog purists, almost every record release made in the last 20 or so years will have gone through a digital stage somewhere between when the instruments were mic'd up and the vinyl being cut, so any perceived inadequacies of the digital process will have been added to those of the vinyl medium.

Hardly the future - Vocaloid has been around since the early 2000s. And the Anime "Macros Plus" predicted all of this back in 1994.

[quote name='skidder652003' timestamp='1481099163' post='3189614'] cos you look a tool throwing shapes on a bass... [/quote] You might look like a tool throwing shapes while playing the bass, but I look f***ing awesome! ;-)

[quote name='scalpy' timestamp='1481096118' post='3189600'] Got the annual Panto run this week. (oh yes I have) 80% of it is on bass, 19% is trying to get the audience participation going and there is one 8 bar guitar solo in a ballad. All I hear is guitar solo this guitar solo that. It was the same when I was playing in an originals band trying to avoid getting a proper job. I could probably count the number of new people who talked to me after a gig on one hand. I did two gigs on guitar and met my wife! Why are people so massively biased towards guitar? It can't be just the frequency range they occupy surely? [/quote] The way I see it, is you have two choices: 1. Switch to guitar 2. Stick with it safe in the knowledge that playing music as a band is more than the sum of its parts and it's the ensemble that is important, not any one individual musician. Besides: 1. IMO the real heroes of any piece of music are those who wrote it in the first place 2. It's panto, not high art. Take your money and quit whining.

Thanks! Just had a look at the TI web site and the strings I used were [url=http://www.thomastik-infeld.com/sites/default/files/catalogue/ti_e_guitar_folder_06_13sc.pdf]Infeld Superalloys set IN111[/url] from which I used the 20, 30, 42 52 strings - all wound.

Actually in some countries "H" is used instead of "B" and "B" means "Bb"

I've played basses with all sorts of scale lengths from 26" to 36", and TBH it takes very little to swap between them, but maybe that's because I play a variety of other stringed instruments, so I'm used to all sorts of scale lengths. My first bass was a Burns short scale, and I never used the E string on it, because it sounded rubbish when compared to the others. This turned out to be down to Rotosound failing to be able to make decent short scale round wound strings in the 80s rather than any actual short-comings of the bass, as it was fine once I discovered Newtone strings.

I used to own the Manne Mandobass which is a piccolo bass with a 26" scale. [IMG]http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n249/BigRedX/Bass/ManneMandobass.jpg[/IMG] I strung mine with a bottom 4 strings from a set of TI heavy (with a wound G) guitar strings.

If you want to thicken up the sound and accentuate some of the fretless nuances, try a good compressor - that's one with at least Threshold, Attack, Release and Gain controls, and instead of chorus which can make the sound too swirly and indistinct, try a pitch shifter set to unison with a very slight detune of a few cents. IMO older models work better since they have a noticeable processing lag which adds enormously to the sound. For that you can't beat the original rack mount MXR Pitch Transposer. IIRC much of Mick Karn's studio sound was created by selectively double tracking his bass lines.

IMO the classic solid state guitar amp is the Roland Jazz Chorus, so how about their [url=https://www.roland.com/uk/products/jc-22/]30W JC22[/url]?

DT100s are tracking headphones. They are designed to give you a useable working sound with the minimum of spill, so that you can record your part(s) while hearing everything clearly but not necessarily accurately. I wouldn't even begin to think about using them for mixing on.

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1480677039' post='3186280'] Easier to change a bolt on [/quote] Why would you want to?

[quote name='Pinball' timestamp='1480665811' post='3186167'] Hi, I used to think that neck-through was something to aspire too until I got a used Ibanez 3005 wich was a stunning bolt on model that changed my mind. I have since worked my way though many basses sice to get to my current favourites (Stingray's and G&L) and it I dawns on me that they are all blot on models. I have had both types at the same time and couldn't hear any difference. I have noticed that the bolt-on's seem to generally lighter in weight but that is about it really. Waddyathink? [/quote] IME every single bass sounds different, but nearly all of then sound like basses when you get them in the band mix. It's impossible to quantify exactly what difference having a bolt-on neck makes since nearly every aspect of construction between a neck through bass and one with a bolt-on neck is different, so how can you tell exactly what effect the fact that the neck is bolt-on is making? My personal preference is for neck through or set neck since there is less neck joint to get in the way when playing higher up the neck.

When I started playing in the 70s a lot of the musicians I was interested in had huge collections of instruments, so naturally I aspired to the same. Back then if I could have afforded a second guitar, I would have owned one. When I started gigging regularly on bass in the early 80s I bought a spare pretty much immediately.

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1480511026' post='3184951'] Well my budget is around £150 and looking for second hand. Don't know anything about the quality of the squires apart from a standard tele that a friend has and it's really nice sounding and playing. [/quote] For that kind of money I'd also be looking at the Yamaha Pacifica range.

Dad, your Bassman amp dates from a time when there was little difference between guitar and bass amplifiers, and in fact it has gone on to become a far more popular as a guitar amp than as a bass amp. Modern bass amplification like that owned by the OP is whole different kettle of fish, and while guitar amps outside of those designs based around modelling technology have most gone back to designs from the 50s 60s and 70s, bass amps and speakers these days have far more in common with PA amplification in that they are very much more full-bandwidth amplification. For the OP. As I said in my original post you'll need to try it and see what you think, and TBH how suitable the amp is will depend on what sorts of guitar sounds you are after. (What sorts of guitar sounds are you after?) However expect to have to do some serious playing with the EQ just for starters, and while I note that your amp does have some sort of drive/distortion circuit it might not be voiced in such a way to flatter the guitar.

Does it have to be a Squier? Personally I'd buy a new Harley Benton from Thomann for about £70. You might even be lucky enough to pick up a deko model for half that price, that has nothing wrong with it other than the "D" stamps on the body and neck.

REM along with The Smiths were bands that pretty much everyone I know thought were great, and I never really understood the attraction, and even now they still don't do anything for me. I like the odd track here and there, and given that they have a fairly extensive back catalogue I could possibly make myself a 40 minute compilation of songs I like, but I couldn't listen to any one of their albums in its entirety.

You won't know until you try it, but be prepared for it sound rather disappointing. On the other hand you won't actually damage anything.

Before ordering any kit guitar or bass, I'd have a good look at Crimson Guitars review of the kit telecaster. Here's the first part - find the others on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKPRndjKM68 Unless you are looking at building up your luthier skills and a collection of esoteric guitar making tools, IMO your probably better off buying a second hand Squier.

"I Feel Love" by Donna Summer - in order to answer a question from another thread, followed by lots of other things vinyl (but only those that play at 45RPM because changing it back to 33 is a complete ball ache). Right now I'm on Doot-Doot (12" Mix) by Freur.

[quote name='BassBunny' timestamp='1480325229' post='3183289'] Are you are going to go passive without any controls? First remove/un solder the pickup wires from the Vol control. Un solder the wires from the jack, (i'd make a not of where all the removed wires go in case you want to revert back to active. Then do as verb suggested. It looks like your pickup wire is shielded so the center/hot wire to the tip of the jack and shield to the body. As verb pointed out, a multi meter is your friend to establish which contact is the shield and which is the "ring" or switch contact to turn the pre-amp on. If you want a passive Vol/Tone control then after all the un soldering, remove the pre-amp and controls and Google the diagram for a Fender P Bass and use that. [/quote] Personally I'd replace the jack socket as well since you no longer need a switching jack if you are going passive. Unsolder the pickup from the volume control and then remove the whole pre-amp assembly as a single piece. That way you'll have less to do if you ever want to put it back in. Then look for a standard P-bass wiring diagram and follow that with new pots for volume and tone, plus a tone capacitor and standard mono jack socket.

Try a 3/16 note, single repeat delay. Then play the riff as 1/8 notes. That way you get a 1/16 note pattern, but the repeats are spaced further apart that it doesn't sound as cluttered. It's a while since I seriously listen to the original but IIRC that's how it was done in the first place. You can hear this on headphones since the original notes and the repeats are panned either side of the stereo. However one of things that gives "I Feel Love" it's unique feel is the precision of the sequencer that is driving the riff. That means practicing playing the riff with perfect timing.

I've come across the jack plug being vibrated out of it's socket once when using someone else's Ampeg rig where the DI was connected through the line out on the back of the amp. IME jack sockets should have a good enough grip for the plug not the get vibrated out, so I would suggest that there is something wrong with the socket. Also from experience I will no longer allow Planet Waves leads to be plugged into any of my gear. I've had to replace the jack socket on a couple of my older guitars which were used with Planet Waves cables. These days, anyone who uses my amp at gear share gigs also has to use my OBBM cable as well.

[quote name='casapete' timestamp='1480321342' post='3183254'] Professional band, all with day jobs? Mmmm.......approach with caution. [/quote] IME only the very biggest names playing original music, or the songwriters in long running bands with a large back catalogue can get away with not having some other source of income during the times when the band isn't touring or recording.