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Thanks for posting! I love Cynic, and it was great to see his playing.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1398073549' post='2430040'] Now, please tell us WHY musicians have to communicate a 'meaningful message' to an audience. [/quote] Ha! This is fun and interesting, and the perfect time for me to admit that I was holding Skej's type of side just weeks or months ago on the Dutch bass forum, where somebody had posted a vid that did nothing for me. Now I hope I wasn't using Skej's line of thought exactly, but, like him, I did indeed question where the expressing of a meaningful musical message was in that vid. Here, there are two things as far as I can see: - Some people will hear what others won't. I didn't hear the conveying of a musical message in that other vid, but others may well have. Certain is that many forum members expressed their appreciation for the vid. The Dirty Loops vid OTOH gave me strong musical pleasure whilst failing do do anything for many others. I felt I kinda got what they were on about, and as said I enjoyed this stronger than anything else the last months - for its musical "message". The notion that it was fast or technical or 80s or whatever did not enter the picture. Nor did the synth sound that I've hated since the 80s. - Must there be a meaningful musical message? I thought there has to be, but was refinedly corrected on that other forum. Meaningful musical message is all fine and dandy, but just having fun with some well known chords and rhythms has its place too. When all is said and done, any music that has value to someone is indeed valuable. One can analyse it on its formal capacities, and express more or less informed views about it. One can not (or should not) make a judgment from above and state that there exists no meaningful musical message after just having been told others experience exactly that meaningful message. If one does anyway, one risks being the apologist who claims the surgeon's sewing thread is sterile, and who, when someone rightly points out there are germs in the middle, rejoices in a "Even better! This sewing thread now has TWO bits that are sterile!" ( - "But ... but ... there are germs there and there as well ... !?!?" - "FOUR!" ) BTW, after having heard these two vids, I went on and investigated Dirty Loops some more. The upcoming album seems to have a lot of fun stuff, but I also got the impression the band have a somewhat limited scope, approaching many tracks the very same way. I can probably strongly enjoy each single track, but would probably be hard pressed to listen to a whole album in one sitting. That said, when the album is released, they may still convince me that my first impression of it is wrong. Edit: spelling

[quote name='madshadows' timestamp='1398069039' post='2429967'] John [/quote] See? Don't underestimate John! (or Al or Dad of course)

The condescending was in your original post, though indeed you did try and use your studiedness as an argument from authority and thus as a crowbar. My response was meant to show you the crowbar did not work on me, and I was having a bit of fun with your studiedness. However, afterwards I realised that you might misconstrue it as entering the pissing contest that you had started, and I certainly did not want to enter such a contest, so I deleted it, but sadly too late.

[quote name='skej21' timestamp='1398021133' post='2429656'] Technically and theoretically brilliant but lacks so much maturity of musicianship in my opinion. The lack of feel, emotion, dynamic range, groove and most importantly, space is just astounding to me. Also, IMO music should be enjoyed by an audience not create a platform to exhibit sterile technical exercises best kept for the practice room. What's the point in learning the depths of music theory and becoming so technically adept if you have nothing to say and can't communicate a meaningful message to an audience? [/quote] Hm. You sound like those people who criticise J.S. Bach's compositions for the exact same reasons. I for one, though never claiming that this is the last word in music, and especially not claiming that it has any brilliance theoretically, enjoyed it thoroughly because of how it communicated a meaningful, musical message to me. It rocked me more than anything else had rocked me for months.

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1398010846' post='2429501'] THA Grammar Nazi's [/quote] THA Grammar Nazis

Welcome, Bryan! You assume correctly. We have too few Bryans here to make it economically viable. Mark, Steve and Dave are all good, but don't underestimate Endeavour and John. Enjoy the banter, Bert (not viable but I donate a lot so it's OK )

Boring, formulaic and deeply lacking in musicality! ... and that's all I have to say about you lot! The music however totally rocks my boat, despite the 80s, the synths, the formulaicness and every other just remark that has been made. I find it moving in several senses, and the chord progression takes me each time I listen to it. I came to this thread after a search, as I had never heard of Dirty Loops before. So my reference frame is limited to this song and the outro bit that Steve BBB posted in the "Monster Horns" thread.

I can relate. Have begged the wife for that little bit of horn [s]suction[/s] section too, to no avail. (Just making sure Mark doesn't have to do all the work on BC!)

Thanks for posting, fellow CAT man! IMHO it was awesome, and I look forward to the album. Though, through my crappy headphones it sounded like a lot of processing and synths were part of it. Will revisit with good headphones later

As somewhat indicated, MM are the brand of which it's very, very often said they give boutique basses a run for their money. Noobly, I know zilch, but within that reference frame, for me the Bongo stands out from everything else I've heard or felt in that it's a mighty, mighty thing of might. Then, I lurv a 4EQ, as, in my mind, the essence of the sound character is not in the bass or the treble but in the low and high mid. Then add bass and treble to taste. Oh, and its design is stellar, bog seat or no bog seat. That and its colours! Luvverly. Oh, and that stuff they smear on the neck! Very secure when you want to keep your thumb at one place, and very fast when you want to move your thumb around. Me, I love it. I'd put it on organ and piano keyboards if they'd let me.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1397935496' post='2428859'] Ironic really, when you consider they are the two most common colours for a toilet seat..... [/quote] You'll be stumped when you see the new picture pickguard for my white Bongo!

Welcome, Phil. You should do more introductions. You're good at it. Enjoy! Bert

[quote name='Len_derby' timestamp='1397901818' post='2428359'] Anyone remember Vinegar Joe? A band from the 70's with RP and Elkie Brookes sharing vocals. [/quote] Aye! Vinegar Joe were great. I vividly remember Elkie Brooks, but must admit I'd totally forgotten that RP was in there too. Must be that I'm strictly a lesbian.

Not written by him, but still luvverly, is Todd Rundgren's "Can We Still Be Friends", here in the version from RP's "Secrets" album: [media]http://youtu.be/iDzdy9LwNaE[/media]

Well, it just had to happen, hadn't it? Since you bought this Eldorado, I mean. [URL=http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/basstractor1/media/CadillacEldoradoBiarritz1958_zps2e76db0d.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r525/basstractor1/CadillacEldoradoBiarritz1958_zps2e76db0d.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Congrats with a luvverly bass! I hope she serves you well, Oh, and thanks for the inspiration. I need to sell all my basses as well.

Nice, Chris! Exactly what cabs are those? DB? Do you like them? I'm heavily contemplating ordering a few Aguilar 112s unseen and unheard, based on what BC has said earlier - probably DBs.

Welcome, Ben! Yeah, twas my Google searches for bass info that led me hither as well. Enjoy it! Bert

Badboy, I know it's off topic, but what are you hoping to achieve? My first impression of both makes me think I'd rather shove my basses through the BC212 than through the MAG 410. Also, it's called [b]BC[/b] fer cryin' out loud!

Welcome, Antonio! Bert

[quote name='ape' timestamp='1397574023' post='2425274'] I've had one of the ashdown mini stacks before and was impressed with the tone [/quote] Similarly, I'm thoroughly impressed with my LB112s. They sound lovely with an old skool amp like the Little Bastard, and open up and show their ability to be quicker and airier than expected when getting a signal from a Genz Benz GBE. Love 'em.

[quote name='ape' timestamp='1397501775' post='2424585'] being bog standard isn't a bad thing depending on what the standard 4x10'cabs sound like lol [/quote] Me, I've only had a MAG 410, and agree with the notion that at least that one is not woolly. That said, I did experience it as being slightly indifferent/lazy, which could well be the gate to woolliness. Reports on how the ABM differs from the MAG are wildly varying, so I think you should hear an ABM for yourself so you're not guided in the wrong direction.

Welcome, Miguel! Bert