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[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1360689462' post='1974765'] My contention is that none of those statements are correct because they are all based on the false premise that things such as "quality of compositions" can be measured. If there is no quantitative way to measure (or 'rate') something, then it cannot be said to be over-rated, or under-rated for that matter. [/quote] . I don't understand how that relates to the part you culled from my post. Then again, I'm not a native English speaker, so it may be perfectly logical. As to your claim on the measurability of "quality of compositions", I can only say that I do not know what exactly you know about this stuff, but I do know that people who are not formally educated in composition or musicology, do tend to under-rate (haha) how much of a composition is measurable and rateable. Music psychology is part of analysis, and we know quite much about how music works and why. The exception here is new art, for which adequate theory normally has been developed in hindsight - though exactly that aspect is on the return these days. best, bert

The main problem in this thread, IMHO, is that people do not express their views in a very precise fashion, and that others easily - I'd say way too easily - misunderstand what is being said, resulting in lots of broad statements supported by lots of straw men, defensiveness and maybe even vindictiveness. Simple example (not actually drawn from specific posts) of the interpretation bit: "The Beatles are over-rated" (OK, that resembles Bilbo, but from here on it's constructed) Now to me this immediately means the following: "There's a discrepancy between the quality of their compositions, musicologically speaking, and the adolation they've received for those compositions." To others it seems to mean: "I am a genius, and The Beatles certainly were far from as influential on music as art form as people think they were." Whilst others seem to think it means: "The Beatles certainly were far from as influential on popular culture as people think they were." Who is to say whose interpretation is correct if one doesn't ask the right questions? FWIW, I was the 8 year old boy who tried to explain to the grown ups in the sixties that "She Loves You" was a very simple song, and that they'd better start listening to Bach, Beethoven and Brahms. Then, Rubber Soul and Revolver made me more "mild". Yup! Fast forward: Some of the Beatles' songs are amongst the songs I love most of everything, like Blackbird and The Long and Winding Road. But I'd never bought a Beatles album before "Let It Be - Naked" when it was on sale, but now much enjoy my CD copies of their latter years albums (starting with Rubber Soul and Revolver), except Sgt. Pepper, which I can't stand probably only because it was much overplayed in my circles when I was young. I can't and won't deny the influence The Beatles had on the popular culture of several generations. Musicologically speaking, I think they provided nice to awesome pop songs, some of which were among the best that pop music has brought forward, but art it ain't. I'm here using my Dutch definition of art, as in that only the very best, most profound, art-developing music is considered art. They have influenced popular music indeed, but certainly have not influenced Krzysztof Penderecki or Iannis Xenakis, to name a few. The Beatles would certainly not be able to explain the inner working of those composers' works, whilst [i]those[/i] composers on the other hand hand wouldn't want to explain the Beatles' works out of sheer boredom. BTW, McCartney's "classical" work is hardly classical, and at any rate very dilettantish. Before I get arrested: NO, I do NOT think that formal matters are the only thing to look at when talking about music. But I do think that exclamations like "Over-rated" do tend to actually relate to the formal side of things. As to the discussion on "who's gonna judge", some of you may be surprised to learn how much of music is actually quantative, and there will always be people who are better than others in knowing how exactly a certain song or piece works, to which degree it reaches the goals it set out for itself, and why it has the impact it has. As an example, I presented a short piece totally different than anything to my composition teacher. He immediately told me about the formal flaws in the working out of the implicit rules that I myself had set up. He immediately saw what I still can't see 30 odd years later. Well, this certainly became longer than I intended. Condescending? I don't think so. I tend to have a lot more respect for other people than those others have for me, and I do kinda know what I'm talking about here. I think i would be condescending to [b]not[/b] share my thoughts. best, bert Edit: speling and clarity

. Twas surely well done to apologise, homer, but why immediately continue with a post that essentially says that you are right and the others wrong, only to finish it off with: [quote name='niceguyhomer' timestamp='1360672446' post='1974245'] there’s a small group of idiots (not you Bilbo) who drag this place down to the point where it’s just not worth taking part anymore [/quote] I don't get this way of proceeding. In fact, i feel it's another attempt at putting yourself in the right, and without having an open dialogue. Should we all guess whether it's us? What have the idiots done to drag the place down? What can be done to reverse this process? As you and I never had any contact or dispute as far as I know, allow me to come with an observation as a bystander: For at least half a year, but probably longer, your messages have come across to me as frustrated and aggressive - not as constructive towards the level of communication on here. So in my mind, your have been contributing to the downslide your describe, not trying to hinder it. A farewell is helping nobody. If you have enjoyed BC previously, and I assume you have, then please stay and be a part of the solution. best regards, bert edit: spelingue

Leen, I'll take the soon available shredder spot.

Yeah, farewell! In the unlikely case you do manage to return: Welcome back! Partake in the banter and in the occasional exchange of info, and generally enjoy! best, bert

Hey Houn, Welcome! In my 1.3 years as a future bass player, and a couple of decades as a bass lover, I've never even heard about the DiPintos. Any good? Don't be shy, and feel welcome to show us a pic of it. Also, please share some knowledge and some stories from your couple of decades. Enjoy the site! best, bert

[quote name='drTStingray' timestamp='1360606280' post='1973257'] Indeed they are excellent - but sound not like a Stingray at all. [/quote] Some people on the MM forum wrote that the single H Bongo is like a bigger, fatter, rounder single H StingRay, and still in StingRay territory. Would you agree with such a description? BTW, pics of the Women, Dr T, or it didn't happen. best, bert

Hey Steve, Air! Finally air! Welcome to the surface. However did you manage indeed. Anyway, I hope you'll thrive among those that float. Sorry you'd go for Music Man. Not very good that stuff. But we do need to see that Pangborn indeed. Yes thanks for that pic. Enjoy! best, bert

Hallo Gilberto Welkom op BassChat! Je hebt leuke dingen in die lijst: MB, SWR, P, J, TNT, J5 ... wauw! Eksplosief, hoor! Ik hoop dat je het hier leuk vindt. Heel aardige mensen hier, dus dat zal wel lukken. Garoets! besto, berto

Hey man, Welcome! Enjoy your stay, and share your knowledge with the noobs please. best, bert

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Ah. Thanks. Never mind then. Didn't like that low frequency anyway. BTW, twas too tachy/glossi as well. (Thanks, Wikipedia!)

Is your hedhegog vulva for sale?

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1360353765' post='1969303'] I don't go in for all this muscle memory stuff, it's just the brain. [/quote] Of course! I've known that forevaaah. I thought. ... and what happened two or three days ago? Some or other scientific report seems to indicate that they've now found some or other form of memory in ... wait for it ... our muscles! Not that I'd just easily accept that that would explain musicians' abilities, but at least it would be interesting to read more about it. best, bert

... and details, please?

Pics, please?

[quote name='afterimage' timestamp='1360442347' post='1970612'] North west. [/quote] Have a look at a map, you effing Scouser! best, bert

[quote name='Lfalex v1.1' timestamp='1360441314' post='1970601'] It's superb. [/quote] Do you mean to say it can sound like a StingRay, or that it will fulfil the Ray's functionality? Or? That, and did you really have to say that just two (2) days after I received my expensive Ray 5 fretless? best, bert

[quote name='lefrash' timestamp='1360438024' post='1970553'] I've just purchased one of these... il let you all know how I get on with it. [/quote] I have one, and I can predict your future: you'll be thinking it would have been nice if it had been a bit smaller, but will be chuffed again when thinking about the price you paid for what's basically a nice bag. It's not me. It's the stars that guide me. best, bert

Impossible! It was the best one on here! best, bert

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1360437429' post='1970535'] I strongly suspect that the character you allude to did not even originate from Europe, actually... [/quote] Based on his name, my guess would be Swedish or Finnish father and Swedish, Finnish or South american mother. best, bert

Hey Darren, Welcome from a noob. Yeah, great you could boost the contingent from the North East, as I think all 6,385 of us North Easteners will agree. I'm just North East from you, actually. I'll call you for a pint. Enjoy the site and share some wisdom. best, bert

[quote name='gsgbass' timestamp='1360401984' post='1969761'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Norwegian Wood. Wasn't that a Beatles song? [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] But I don't think they [/font][/color][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828]mentioned a fongerboard. [/color][/font][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828] [/color][/font] [/quote] I can't understand why people always go ballistic over simple typing mistakes. Look at your keyboard! These are almost adjacent keys! OF COURSE he meant "funkerboard"! best, bert

I presume we're on different tracks here, coz I still don't exactly get what you are and are not talking about. Right now I get the impression it's about improving the playing quality on a track you do already know. In case, I agree with you on that as well. I realise there are many fine lines here as to what one talks about. Anyway, best, bert

Same here: no guilt and no embarrassment, but I should be able to find some bands that some people wouldn't understand my love for. OK, how about the following three bands: Ekseption, Sex Pistols, Spice Girls (first album), Carpenters. uh ... I'll come in again. best, bert