BassTractor

I wouldn't be seen near one of these flags. This is a WAR flag, and It's used by aggressive bigots who have no qualms about killing an estimated 290 Chargers for the production of the show! I'd do Daisy though. [color=#ffffff].[/color] [color=#ffffff].[/color] [color=#ffffff].[/color]

That's easily tested, innit? Just send me a PM, and I'll put you on ignore after reading it and will post back here when that is done. [color=#ffffff].[/color] [color=#ffffff].[/color] Then again, you won't see this offer, now will you?

[quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1497602225' post='3319346'] Space being at a premium for many bass players, my former firm KeyShyyyk invented woolen guernseys with a keyboard pattern knitted in on the front and MIDI wiring or similar coming out at the back. Great gear for live situations, but many punters sadly thought it was just show, and that we had a backing tape. We had two models: - with resistance threads woven in: the WoolKiey, - with physical pressure points behind the wool: the KeyBacka. [/quote] [quote name='CameronJ' timestamp='1497602880' post='3319357'] Please tell me you have photos? On the subject of the SY300 - I loosely considered it, watched a few demos, sounded good. Until I saw the price tag and realised I could buy at least 2 small keyboard synths with the money it costs. [/quote] Sorry, CameronJ, for not having responded. I simply forgot. Sadly it was just a joke. If one knows one's Star Wars, then the words KeyShyyyk, WoolKiey and KeyBacka might easily be associated with those films. That said, it was only partly a joke. My wife and I did start developing these products, but as my day job took precedence, the plans went into a drawer somewhere, and then the eighties suddenly were completely invaded and overrun by the nineties. I finished one product though, but that was during the seventies: a huge rig, hung above the stage, roughly shaped like a piano keyboard and with lights inside. So what I played on one of my keyboards was made visible by the lamps behind the glass: white for the white keys and red for the black keys. Luvverly, and I was a prog maestro in my own mind!

[quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1502658254' post='3352769'] I don't really want to get involved in your pedantry competition here, but keyboards have intrinsically nothing to do with hands. They are any boards with a key or keys on them regardless whether it is designed for a hand, a foot or a cows nose. I have made many keyboards in various devices to be pressed in many circumstances. I would associate pedals with feet though. [/quote] Aye. The being a prat thing is really the worst part of being a classical organist, hence why I sometimes overplay my jazz side, which makes me cool again - to some limited degree of course. I'm happy you associate pedals with feet, as this is from Latin. Finally I'm more than overjoyed you mentioned the cow nose, as I now see I forgot an important keyboard type when hastily writing my three lines. So, without mentioning a few less important types of keyboard, we have three types, all derived from Latin: keyboard for hand(s): [i][b]manual[/b][/i] (from Latin "[i]manus[/i]") keyboard for foot/feet: [b][i]pedals[/i][/b] (from Latin "[i]pes[/i]") keyboard for cow's nose / cows' noses: [b]Bos[/b]([b]s[/b])[b] Taurus [i]Nasus[/i][/b]

[quote name='prowla' timestamp='1502610333' post='3352391'] I beg to differ with your differing with what I said... The pedals are the switches, not the sound generators. Think about an electronic organ with bass pedals - they are just remote switches connected by wire to the main circuit and are often detachable. Roland call the PK-5A a "Dynamic MIDI Pedal", so they use the word pedal. A quick search gives the definition of pedal as "a foot-operated lever or control for a vehicle, musical instrument, or other mechanism", which is what they are. In contrast, the word "keyboard" seems to apply to controls which are pressed using the fingers. Therefore, there cannot be a "foot keyboard", as the terms are contrary: keys are hand operated, pedals are foot operated. A "foot keyboard" is a pedal board. So, au contraire, it is your limited use of "bass pedals" to define self contained units comprising the pedals and the signal generator (be it Moog, or Dewtron - who preceded them; I used to have a set of them!) which is incorrect. The separation of the pedals from the sound generator does not stop them being pedals any more than the separation of the keyboard from the sound generator stops it being a keyboard (as is the case with computer keyboards too - right now I am typing using a keyboard which is attached to a computer; well, actually several computers, via a KVM switch). I take your point that the MIDI bass pedals tend not to be restricted to the bass octaves (eg. the PK-5A can do octaves 0-8), which thereby makes them more versatile and, beyond that, things like the 12-step can be programmed to perform any funciton. But they are still called bass pedals, like I said. Here's a wiki reference which defines bass pedals: [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_pedals"]https://en.wikipedia...iki/Bass_pedals[/url] [/quote] First an apology to BC for the off-topic, not-helping-the-OP, character of these posts, but seeing misinformation spread this way, I've decided to pick up my axe as well. Secondly, let me play with an open deck, and admit I'm a classical organist/composer who also taught electronic music at music college. This may of course skew my view on the subject matter (and I assume you're going to claim exactly that), but it also makes sure that I in fact know something about this and certainly do not need some flawed WP article to receive my history lesson from. I'm not going to read that whole WP article, but I did quickly see some remarks there that you (Prowla) may have overlooked and that supported my view: - "bass pedals" are "an electronic musical instrument" (like for example the Moog Taurus) - "with foot-operated [i][b]pedal keyboard[/b][/i]" (note the use of the term here - right up me alley!) - pedalboards that are MIDI controllers .... "are still often referred to as [b][i]bass pedals [/i][/b]" (implying, like I state, that that is wrong). The word "keyboard" may "seem" to you to imply controls that are pressed by the finger, but that is simply wrong. There mainly are two types of keyboards: - keyboards for the hand or hands that are called "manuals", - keyboards for the foot or feet that are called "pedals". Pedals in this realm are foot keyboards. Are you starting to get the gist yet? I am of course aware that many people think that keyboards always are for the hands. This is not so. I do however see that language changes, and I also believe that we're looking at a future where people's lack of knowledge takes command in this. Several times in your post you act as if I have something against the use of the word "pedals", whereas in real life I used the term myself several times, and in a correct fashion. You are correct in that the pedals are the switches (or "keys"). What you are not correct in is assuming that "bass pedals" for "pedalboard" or "MIDI pedals" is also correct. It is not, and has never been. It's just that people who are not into these things have called them "bass pedals" for as long as I can remember, and most probably before that as well. This is why I stated that the OP's use of "MIDI foot keyboard", though it is unusual and sounds a trifle awkward, is in fact more correct that your proposal "bass pedals". That exact wrong use of the term is also the historical backdrop that made it easy for the bass synth called Moog Taurus to be called "bass pedals". Now, I do not personally [i]like[/i] that this instrument is called "bass pedals", but I've grown to accept it, as there is some wisdom in not swimming upstream when you're not a salmon. Again: pedals are foot keyboards, and no frequency relationship exists other than in practical terms: the feet are less well-equipped for all the fast notes, and thusly it quickly became a historical fact many centuries ago that the feet most oftenly played the bass part. However, thousands of pieces of music exist where the feet in fact play the melody (let's call it the soprano part), and the hands play the rest. BTW, as a cool little side remark, and a fact not very known outside classical organ circles, the first form of keys on pipe organs were in fact like the stops you see on most mechanical pipe organs: one had to pull them out to get a tone, and push them back in to stop that tone. Hence, an organ player was a key puller, or a key [b][i]tractor[/i][/b], and this is part of where my login name comes from: I'm a key puller who is trying to pull strings instead. The English language still provides access to the terminology - amongst others through the verb "to treat" (which now means something else): [i]"Treat your bass with care, lad!"[/i]. This post became much longer than the three lines I'd thought, so I'd better stop right now. I probably missed a few things, but so be it.

[quote name='prowla' timestamp='1502485684' post='3351852'] They're called bass pedals... [/quote] Accepting you said that in a helpful tone of voice, I'll try and be helpful too: No, they're not. People just call them that. "Bass pedals" are the name normally assigned to pedal units with built in sound generators mostly for bass tones - - like the original Moog Taurus - - and as such are complete instruments give or take some borderline cases. The fact that people often call MIDI pedals "bass pedals" does not turn them into bass pedals. The OP isn't after one of those, but after playing his existing Korg X5D with MIDI pedals (or MIDI pedalboard or, as the title says, MIDI foot keyboard - which really is more correct than your proposal). Remember that a pedal set like this is used to trigger any stuff the synth can produce - along the whole frequency range. People's tendency to use pedals for bass notes only reflects practical needs and/or their limited thinking.

Having had another look, and seeing your follow-up post, I think you do need one of the two that spawn an octave of piano-like keys. Anything else and you'll find yourself having to delve deeply into MIDI knowledge. I couldn't find any evidence that the Korg has a function it needs for you to be able to press the keys only shortly when the HOLD function is engaged: it also needs to be in monophonic mode, or else the next note will add itself to the previous one rather than replacing it. I think your best bet is to assume you must hold the key yourself, which is not too hard in an by itself, but it limits your ability to move about.

Not being updated on this stuff, I had to look them up. Without using time on studying them more closely, I'd like to narrow this down first, as I didn't really understand your post. I found the Keith McMillen 12 Step had one octave of notes, as had the Studiologic MP-113. Both are sure to be able to transpose up and down one octave, which in case should be quick to do. They would essentially trigger a certain note in the Korg, but might be able to also be used to send whole sequences of notes to it. The Keith McMillen SoftStep and the Behringer FCB1010 on the other hand do not spawn an octave, and instead just have buttons to trigger whatever they or the Korg are able to. The Behringer is sold as a foot controller for Behringer amps, but might also be able to send MIDI NOTE ON and NOTE OFF data, Idunno. I found no MP-113/7 and no SoftStep 12, but did not search thoroughly. Before delving more into this, I'd like to ask you whether you plan on playing a melody yourself (one pedal press per note) or want to trigger existing (as in pre-programmed) note sequences. In the latter case, do you have any idea as to how you're gonna control the speed of these sequences? After all, you need the sequence to either govern the band's speed or the other way round - it's normally not a great idea to start a song at a certain speed and then the sequence comes in at another speed. As to the board holding notes, equipment like this may be available that can send a NOTE OFF only when the next button is pressed and sends a new NOTE ON, but I would expect the best thing to do is to check whether the X5D has a HOLD function that will hold notes until the next one occurs. If no-one else chimes in with good knowledge, I'm willing to delve into the subject matter as I have a background in electronic music and might understand some stuff quicker than someone who turns to soup (personally I turn to caesar salad with fruit cake ).

[quote name='Stylon Pilson' timestamp='1501694264' post='3346671'] whats better a squire or a percision base [/quote] Depends. Is it for mettle?

[quote name='lownote12' timestamp='1501679052' post='3346496'] Think you may have quoted the wrong person. [/quote] Note the winkey though. Twas Andy_L who followed your example but failed to follow your format. Hence my question. Nice with the story about your granddad in any case! I love those things.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1501678321' post='3346482'] Free jazz..? [/quote] You're right, of course, but free jazz doesn't give us the 50 pages we need. The Beatles vs. blues does.

The only thing worse than The Beatles is blues!

[quote name='Andy_L' timestamp='1501450572' post='3344783'] My avatar. The pic on the left is actually Winnie the Pooh. I don't look like him [/quote] That's quite OK, of course, but on what archive film footage did you astonishingly spot him by chance?

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1501316006' post='3343939'] My multiamp which has the synth in has midi In and through , this might work ? [/quote] I don't know what it will do, as I was unaware of amps using MIDI data (will have to read up on that one), but it will not work along the lines you described earlier. The MIDI THRU will only pass on the MIDI data it receives at the MIDI IN port - without converting it to working sound.

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1501315492' post='3343934'] I know I can convert midi to usb with a coverter for use with my mac, so if I can convert to Jack that solves it Otherwise would a cheap modern keyboard controller send a Jack signal like a guitar ? [/quote] Nope. Don't mix the physical form of input and output ports with the data that flows through them. Out of a MIDI keyboard comes MIDI data, which is command data. It tells other stuff what to do, but the other stuff will do it. Only receiving gear that needs MIDI data will respond to it. Also, that receiving gear does not translate or convert that data; it only uses the data as commands to know what it should do. Along the same lines, the MB Synth needs "sound" at its input for it to work, and it will not respond to MIDI data. Sound, unlike MIDI data, does not tell the Synth what to do. The synth itself just takes the sound and does unspeakable things to it and with it. In this, the type of jack does not play any role at all. I revert you to post #2. Just ask again if it isn't clear yet. I'm here, and so, assumedly, are others

No. Assuming you mean a regular MIDI controller keyboard, this keyboard only sends out MIDI data, not sound. The MarkBass Synth has only one input, and it's not for MIDI data but for bass guitar sound, and as such is rather undifferent from an effects unit. If the MarkBass Synth provides a saw, then you should be set already, as it has true bypass. If you need a saw from another box, then you'll need to buy another box. Of course, all of this may be wrong if what you call a MIDI keyboard controller is not what I assume it is. Just lemme know, and I can see if can help any further.

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1500753247' post='3340027'] I'd be a little worried about a surgeon who operated with flair and originality! [/quote] Good point, well made.

[quote name='Bobthedog' timestamp='1500746300' post='3339974'] clinical is how it all sounds and so a fair comment. It also applies to when I cook. [/quote] Aye, and also to when I perform open-heart surgery. Coat.

[quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1499948797' post='3334737'] Nope.. Had been sitting in his loft since 1986.... :-) However it's missing the factory ROM cartridge, which means buggering around with sysex to reload the factory settings as the current ones are corrupted... [/quote] Congrats, man! Great score, great synthesis, and fantastic keybed too. I loved mine to smithereens, and would've still had it if I hadn't needed to fund my TX802. You're aware of the battery, yes? In case not, it's possibly buggered by now - which in case could explain the corrupted presets. For ease of access as well as hassle free battery changing, I think it's a great idea to mount [b]two[/b] parallel battery holders on the built in holder's terminals, so you can use only those two instead of the built in one, and swap batteries by putting in a new battery in one holder before removing the old one from the other holder. I hope that was English. Saves a lot of hassle at any rate. BTW, my own 30 year old battery still works, so who knows. Anyway, ENJOY!

[quote name='anzoid' timestamp='1499447744' post='3331669'] GBH - now that name rings a bell... time to hit the Googles. [/quote] Of course it rings a bell. Just don't search for its British street name then, but just spell it correctly: GHB.

IME, in your price range, keyboards tend to lack in their synth presets and synths tend to lack in their piano and organ presets. An alternative might be a used workstation or sampler. Though for your type of use, if piano sounds are important, I'd try and find a used Yamaha keyboard - the most expensive one you can afford - as these tend to be more immediate and self-explaining than workstations and samplers, and you get a better impression of them right away whilst demo'ing. Edit . Forgot to mention your best bet is a Moog System 55!

Luvverly! Congratulations to you both!

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[quote name='Skinnyman' timestamp='1497909534' post='3321319'] More of a privet joke really [/quote] That's a shame. Privet jokes are rated as mildly toxic to humans, and they can result in nausea, headache, abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhoea, weakness, low blood pressure and low body temperature.

All the best, Jazzneck! It's like they say above: no reason to leave BC if you thrive here! Anyway, good luck with the non-instruments!