BassTractor

Hey! I now actually watched that vid, and it's all stills from Kapitein Zeppos - complete with the glorious Amphicar! Cool!

I love this stuff! ...even though my blue haired auntie loved it! One year after the "A Swingin' Safari" album, they released "Living it up!" and I think they'd upped their game considerably by then. Here's an example in the song "Living it up" (indeed without the exclamation mark). On my iPod, the Knack Bass is very loud and clear in the mix, but it's more subdued in this vid, which almost every elderly Dutch and Belgian listener and some British listeners will recognise as the Kapitein Zeppos theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IvlRc6nM1A

The thread has already been won of course, but still: I once bought a synth from Cesar Zuiderwijk of Golden Earring. Sadly he's not obscure enough, and also he's a drummer... ...but I sold it again, to bass player Alex Roelofs of The Nits, and since he used it for bass parts, I'm suddenly in the clear on all parameters, specially as Alex left this unknown band just as they gained some popularity - mostly in Holland.

[quote name='Rich' timestamp='1503921173' post='3361525'] You're just saying that to get a reaction. [/quote] Well, he doesn't get one from me. I'm part of the beaker.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1503419745' post='3358092'] Deleted (but not blocked) ... [/quote] On the top of my regular BC screen (Win 10 with Chrome), the Messenger's PM counter was reset. I saw the '1" on the envelope icon to the left of my login name had been removed. I then clicked the link in the e-mail from the server, and saw the PM as I normally would. This was unexpected to say the least. On the Messenger screen, under our Participant names, the last-read dates were not present, and instead there was a text stating: "Unavailable: Topic Deleted". Also, I could not reply, but just delete or report the PM. I'm totally with you as to the " " right now. Since I've never written forum software, I have no idea about where the intricacies lie, but without deling into the subject matter I could well imagine that different bits of code exist for different platforms and browsers - each with their own peculiarities and bugs . Someone else on BC probably knows whether this is so.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1503418417' post='3358080'] PM sent. [/quote] E-mail received. Just lemme know when you've deleted the PM. T-shirts ordered and paid for.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1503415237' post='3358048'] [/quote] Hehehe, but we could easily test that as well. Just send me a PM without deleting it. When I've received the e-mail from the server, I post here in the thread. Then you delete it, and when you've done so and reported that here, I then click on the link in the e-mail. Maybe I get the dreaded message then. I should, coz I've read it on the innerwebz!

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1503407746' post='3357963'] Hence, if I block you, then you get the 'banned' error? Yes? [/quote] Nope. I haven't seen that error message at all. First I used the Manage Ignore Prefs page to ignore you (and later discovered that the ignore part for PMs is called "Block"), after which I could still see your PM and also send you a reply to it. When you had blocked me, the PM thread disappeared totally from my PM pages. I then unblocked you, and the PM thread didn't reappear, but I got no form of warning about that a thread existed. My last bit of text was something I read on the net: that this exact error message sometimes occurs when people delete the PM they'd sent - before the recipient had clicked the e-mailed link to that same PM. (E-mail warnings about PMs and quotes can be switched on or off somewhere in your profile IMS.)

[quote name='mikel' timestamp='1503395296' post='3357807'] Just cos you like, or indeed "Get", a quip or joke does not mean you have to indicate the fact. [/quote] Got it! Ah... C'mon! [i]Somebody[/i] had to! [quote name='RockfordStone' timestamp='1503396387' post='3357821'] it does feel at times that some people do get annoyed for the sake of being annoyed [/quote] Aye. It's a lame and old-fashioned tool of manipulation, but seemingly still effective. Sometimes I tell them that being annoyed/offended/provoked is a right, but that it doesn't mean they [i]are[/i] right. ...but then I don't have a senze of humor.

Hi Dave, The whole PM thread had vanished. I then unignored you on the "Manage Ignore Prefs" page, and at that point saw that it does indeed use the word "Block" there. After this, the PM thread did not reappear right away, but who knows whether it might reappear after some hours. Right now I'm a bit confused. I'll have me a cup of coffee in some type of vain hope. You have any ideas? Edit: In the mean time, I read on ze innerwebz that sometimes-not-always this happens in the following scenario: ET sends a PM to BT, the server sends a notification mail with a link to BT, ET deletes the PM BT clicks on the mailed link but gets that error message #10275. Now where's my coffee? best, bert

HAAAAHaaaaahahahaha! The very second I clicked the Post button, I heard someone on my TV exclaim: "Ah! Lovely! A Boston Brownie!" Sadly this cannot be unheard and/or forgotten.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503355498' post='3357616'] I'm surprised more people didn't get it, it was fairly obvious. No one said anything. [/quote] Lack of visible response does not necessarily equal lack of appreciation. In this case however, Discreet had already visibly responded funnily to Steve Browning's funny remark - - and just three minutes after Steve posted it. Normally one doesn't indulge in everyone smiling at the same joke. BC would become impossible to read if we did. Then there's the dynamics (and timing!) of threads and what grabs our attention: Steve writes something funny. Everyone except Spoombung smiles and then reads on whilst being open to the possibility of posting appreciatingly. Discreet this time is Baking Pancakes of the Third Kind, and not reading BC. Somebody posts something that "requires" a response, and one indulges in writing that response instead of acknowledging Steve's funniness. Simples. [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I'm pretty laid back myself unless some complete tool writes "more people didn't" instead of "not more people did". [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color]

Ah! IOW you did not get the "an error occurred" then, right? That is interesting, and maybe exactly the difference between 'ignore' and 'block'. Since I did not get a block option, even if it was you who sent the first PM, maybe this functionality is dependent on platform or browser. I've been on Win 10 and Chrome the whole process but am now checking on several different platforms and browsers. If I don't find anything I'll unignore you and see what then happens. Will report back.

Here is the PM i just sent or tried to send to ET: Hi ET, Yup! I read your last posts in the thread (through "View it anyway") and am now slightly confused as I can't see any "block" on the whole PM page. When I hover over your name or avatar, I get the usual options of viewing your profile, sending your a PM or finding your posts. I can delete the PM thread or report you. and also invite others into the conversation. No block. I'll copy this PM to the thread as I don't know whether you'll see it. best, bert

This is weird. I first read your PM, and then put you on ignore immediately. Some minutes later, your PM was still readable to me. Then, just in case, I logged out of my account and closed and reopened my browser and logged in again. Your PM was still there. There may be delays in the server's handling these requests, but I now think that maybe the Ignore function is about future PMs. We'll see tomorrow then. I'll leave you on ignore until we know more. BTW, I looked again, but didn't didn't find anything resembling "block". best, bert

Done. I couldn't find a "block" function, but put you on all three types of "ignore" (posts, sigs and PMs) Will look for a block type thingy. best, bert

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503329587' post='3357307'] I think that may have gone over a lot of people's heads. [/quote] Well... Dunning got it. Kruger got it too. I got it, and I honestly think most people got it.

I wouldn't be seen near one of these flags. This is a WAR flag, and It's used by aggressive bigots who have no qualms about killing an estimated 290 Chargers for the production of the show! I'd do Daisy though. [color=#ffffff].[/color] [color=#ffffff].[/color] [color=#ffffff].[/color]

That's easily tested, innit? Just send me a PM, and I'll put you on ignore after reading it and will post back here when that is done. [color=#ffffff].[/color] [color=#ffffff].[/color] Then again, you won't see this offer, now will you?

[quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1497602225' post='3319346'] Space being at a premium for many bass players, my former firm KeyShyyyk invented woolen guernseys with a keyboard pattern knitted in on the front and MIDI wiring or similar coming out at the back. Great gear for live situations, but many punters sadly thought it was just show, and that we had a backing tape. We had two models: - with resistance threads woven in: the WoolKiey, - with physical pressure points behind the wool: the KeyBacka. [/quote] [quote name='CameronJ' timestamp='1497602880' post='3319357'] Please tell me you have photos? On the subject of the SY300 - I loosely considered it, watched a few demos, sounded good. Until I saw the price tag and realised I could buy at least 2 small keyboard synths with the money it costs. [/quote] Sorry, CameronJ, for not having responded. I simply forgot. Sadly it was just a joke. If one knows one's Star Wars, then the words KeyShyyyk, WoolKiey and KeyBacka might easily be associated with those films. That said, it was only partly a joke. My wife and I did start developing these products, but as my day job took precedence, the plans went into a drawer somewhere, and then the eighties suddenly were completely invaded and overrun by the nineties. I finished one product though, but that was during the seventies: a huge rig, hung above the stage, roughly shaped like a piano keyboard and with lights inside. So what I played on one of my keyboards was made visible by the lamps behind the glass: white for the white keys and red for the black keys. Luvverly, and I was a prog maestro in my own mind!

[quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1502658254' post='3352769'] I don't really want to get involved in your pedantry competition here, but keyboards have intrinsically nothing to do with hands. They are any boards with a key or keys on them regardless whether it is designed for a hand, a foot or a cows nose. I have made many keyboards in various devices to be pressed in many circumstances. I would associate pedals with feet though. [/quote] Aye. The being a prat thing is really the worst part of being a classical organist, hence why I sometimes overplay my jazz side, which makes me cool again - to some limited degree of course. I'm happy you associate pedals with feet, as this is from Latin. Finally I'm more than overjoyed you mentioned the cow nose, as I now see I forgot an important keyboard type when hastily writing my three lines. So, without mentioning a few less important types of keyboard, we have three types, all derived from Latin: keyboard for hand(s): [i][b]manual[/b][/i] (from Latin "[i]manus[/i]") keyboard for foot/feet: [b][i]pedals[/i][/b] (from Latin "[i]pes[/i]") keyboard for cow's nose / cows' noses: [b]Bos[/b]([b]s[/b])[b] Taurus [i]Nasus[/i][/b]

[quote name='prowla' timestamp='1502610333' post='3352391'] I beg to differ with your differing with what I said... The pedals are the switches, not the sound generators. Think about an electronic organ with bass pedals - they are just remote switches connected by wire to the main circuit and are often detachable. Roland call the PK-5A a "Dynamic MIDI Pedal", so they use the word pedal. A quick search gives the definition of pedal as "a foot-operated lever or control for a vehicle, musical instrument, or other mechanism", which is what they are. In contrast, the word "keyboard" seems to apply to controls which are pressed using the fingers. Therefore, there cannot be a "foot keyboard", as the terms are contrary: keys are hand operated, pedals are foot operated. A "foot keyboard" is a pedal board. So, au contraire, it is your limited use of "bass pedals" to define self contained units comprising the pedals and the signal generator (be it Moog, or Dewtron - who preceded them; I used to have a set of them!) which is incorrect. The separation of the pedals from the sound generator does not stop them being pedals any more than the separation of the keyboard from the sound generator stops it being a keyboard (as is the case with computer keyboards too - right now I am typing using a keyboard which is attached to a computer; well, actually several computers, via a KVM switch). I take your point that the MIDI bass pedals tend not to be restricted to the bass octaves (eg. the PK-5A can do octaves 0-8), which thereby makes them more versatile and, beyond that, things like the 12-step can be programmed to perform any funciton. But they are still called bass pedals, like I said. Here's a wiki reference which defines bass pedals: [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_pedals"]https://en.wikipedia...iki/Bass_pedals[/url] [/quote] First an apology to BC for the off-topic, not-helping-the-OP, character of these posts, but seeing misinformation spread this way, I've decided to pick up my axe as well. Secondly, let me play with an open deck, and admit I'm a classical organist/composer who also taught electronic music at music college. This may of course skew my view on the subject matter (and I assume you're going to claim exactly that), but it also makes sure that I in fact know something about this and certainly do not need some flawed WP article to receive my history lesson from. I'm not going to read that whole WP article, but I did quickly see some remarks there that you (Prowla) may have overlooked and that supported my view: - "bass pedals" are "an electronic musical instrument" (like for example the Moog Taurus) - "with foot-operated [i][b]pedal keyboard[/b][/i]" (note the use of the term here - right up me alley!) - pedalboards that are MIDI controllers .... "are still often referred to as [b][i]bass pedals [/i][/b]" (implying, like I state, that that is wrong). The word "keyboard" may "seem" to you to imply controls that are pressed by the finger, but that is simply wrong. There mainly are two types of keyboards: - keyboards for the hand or hands that are called "manuals", - keyboards for the foot or feet that are called "pedals". Pedals in this realm are foot keyboards. Are you starting to get the gist yet? I am of course aware that many people think that keyboards always are for the hands. This is not so. I do however see that language changes, and I also believe that we're looking at a future where people's lack of knowledge takes command in this. Several times in your post you act as if I have something against the use of the word "pedals", whereas in real life I used the term myself several times, and in a correct fashion. You are correct in that the pedals are the switches (or "keys"). What you are not correct in is assuming that "bass pedals" for "pedalboard" or "MIDI pedals" is also correct. It is not, and has never been. It's just that people who are not into these things have called them "bass pedals" for as long as I can remember, and most probably before that as well. This is why I stated that the OP's use of "MIDI foot keyboard", though it is unusual and sounds a trifle awkward, is in fact more correct that your proposal "bass pedals". That exact wrong use of the term is also the historical backdrop that made it easy for the bass synth called Moog Taurus to be called "bass pedals". Now, I do not personally [i]like[/i] that this instrument is called "bass pedals", but I've grown to accept it, as there is some wisdom in not swimming upstream when you're not a salmon. Again: pedals are foot keyboards, and no frequency relationship exists other than in practical terms: the feet are less well-equipped for all the fast notes, and thusly it quickly became a historical fact many centuries ago that the feet most oftenly played the bass part. However, thousands of pieces of music exist where the feet in fact play the melody (let's call it the soprano part), and the hands play the rest. BTW, as a cool little side remark, and a fact not very known outside classical organ circles, the first form of keys on pipe organs were in fact like the stops you see on most mechanical pipe organs: one had to pull them out to get a tone, and push them back in to stop that tone. Hence, an organ player was a key puller, or a key [b][i]tractor[/i][/b], and this is part of where my login name comes from: I'm a key puller who is trying to pull strings instead. The English language still provides access to the terminology - amongst others through the verb "to treat" (which now means something else): [i]"Treat your bass with care, lad!"[/i]. This post became much longer than the three lines I'd thought, so I'd better stop right now. I probably missed a few things, but so be it.

[quote name='prowla' timestamp='1502485684' post='3351852'] They're called bass pedals... [/quote] Accepting you said that in a helpful tone of voice, I'll try and be helpful too: No, they're not. People just call them that. "Bass pedals" are the name normally assigned to pedal units with built in sound generators mostly for bass tones - - like the original Moog Taurus - - and as such are complete instruments give or take some borderline cases. The fact that people often call MIDI pedals "bass pedals" does not turn them into bass pedals. The OP isn't after one of those, but after playing his existing Korg X5D with MIDI pedals (or MIDI pedalboard or, as the title says, MIDI foot keyboard - which really is more correct than your proposal). Remember that a pedal set like this is used to trigger any stuff the synth can produce - along the whole frequency range. People's tendency to use pedals for bass notes only reflects practical needs and/or their limited thinking.

Having had another look, and seeing your follow-up post, I think you do need one of the two that spawn an octave of piano-like keys. Anything else and you'll find yourself having to delve deeply into MIDI knowledge. I couldn't find any evidence that the Korg has a function it needs for you to be able to press the keys only shortly when the HOLD function is engaged: it also needs to be in monophonic mode, or else the next note will add itself to the previous one rather than replacing it. I think your best bet is to assume you must hold the key yourself, which is not too hard in an by itself, but it limits your ability to move about.

Not being updated on this stuff, I had to look them up. Without using time on studying them more closely, I'd like to narrow this down first, as I didn't really understand your post. I found the Keith McMillen 12 Step had one octave of notes, as had the Studiologic MP-113. Both are sure to be able to transpose up and down one octave, which in case should be quick to do. They would essentially trigger a certain note in the Korg, but might be able to also be used to send whole sequences of notes to it. The Keith McMillen SoftStep and the Behringer FCB1010 on the other hand do not spawn an octave, and instead just have buttons to trigger whatever they or the Korg are able to. The Behringer is sold as a foot controller for Behringer amps, but might also be able to send MIDI NOTE ON and NOTE OFF data, Idunno. I found no MP-113/7 and no SoftStep 12, but did not search thoroughly. Before delving more into this, I'd like to ask you whether you plan on playing a melody yourself (one pedal press per note) or want to trigger existing (as in pre-programmed) note sequences. In the latter case, do you have any idea as to how you're gonna control the speed of these sequences? After all, you need the sequence to either govern the band's speed or the other way round - it's normally not a great idea to start a song at a certain speed and then the sequence comes in at another speed. As to the board holding notes, equipment like this may be available that can send a NOTE OFF only when the next button is pressed and sends a new NOTE ON, but I would expect the best thing to do is to check whether the X5D has a HOLD function that will hold notes until the next one occurs. If no-one else chimes in with good knowledge, I'm willing to delve into the subject matter as I have a background in electronic music and might understand some stuff quicker than someone who turns to soup (personally I turn to caesar salad with fruit cake ).