BassTractor

[quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1497647514' post='3319849'] Of course Goodall's seminal work was the Blackadder theme [/quote] Aye. He's up there with Bach and Penderecki.

[quote name='fleabag' timestamp='1496531555' post='3312177'] If anyone watched Howard Goodall's program last night on the making of Pep ( composer of Blackadder title track and much more ) , it was fabulous watching him breakdown the way the Peps tracks were constructed, and just what incredible work and genius those guys used to magic them tracks out of thin air. Even ' within you ' whether you like it or not I have even more respect for their musical prowess than i used to [/quote] Ain't that the truth. I got to see part of it just now. This PBS documentary is called "Sgt. Pepper's Musical Revolution (with Howard Goodall)", and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Just last week I saw a show (can't call it a documentary) about "Pet Sounds" where so-called celebrities were filmed stating ad nauseam that Brian Wilson is a genius, and now this: Howard Goodall actually telling how the modulation works, and what effect rhythmic displacement has on the listener. A real musician talking about music? Whodathought! Highly recommended (or at least for as far as I got to see it before my sister phoned. Happily I hit the Record button).

Space being at a premium for many bass players, my former firm KeyShyyyk invented woolen guernseys with a keyboard pattern knitted in on the front and MIDI wiring or similar coming out at the back. Great gear for live situations, but many punters sadly thought it was just show, and that we had a backing tape. We had two models: - with resistance threads woven in: the WoolKiey, - with physical pressure points behind the wool: the KeyBacka.

[quote name='Monkey Steve' timestamp='1497533849' post='3318933'][list] [*]I disagree with Bass Tractor - I can see his point but I'm OK with doing more than one song at a time, and on continuing to practice the ones i know while I'm learning a new one. Personally what works for me is to have two or three songs on the go at the same time - some may get paused because I need to work on some specific techniques, some I can't get the structure worked out, and some I just keep coming back to and tweaking [/list] [/quote] Aye. I too disagree with BassTractor. Reading through what I wrote, I see that in part I was wrong and in part didn't manage to express what I meant. I don't do it like that myself. Myself, I'd work on three or six pieces or songs at a time, but I would never ever repeatedly play 69 known songs whilst trying to learn the 70th and whilst time is at a premium. This is exactly wat I've seen dozens if not hundreds of peers and pupils do: five minutes for every known song and five minutes on the new one. I think you get the gist. They'd often express that practising is boring and that they need to have some fun. Fun is OK of course, but not in a 69 to 1 ratio. Their results were most often as described above: some songs they knew well, some average ones, and some they could hardly play. In my own case, I could for example set aside five hours for five pieces or songs, and the sixth hour then was my fun hour - most oftenly filled with improvisation and playing known stuff. Additionally, I'd normally insert some minutes of fun in every hour.

This one: [URL=http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/basstractor1/media/Frisbee-%20vintage%20Wham%20O%201_zpspuq3dpoj.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r525/basstractor1/Frisbee-%20vintage%20Wham%20O%201_zpspuq3dpoj.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Oh, sorry! Like most people posting here, I didn't read the OP.

AFAIK there's only one effective routine. Possible important caveats below. - Take one song at a time, and do NOT play all through it as a practice routine. Initially rather spend time on repeated listening - first to the song as a whole, and then intentively to the bass line and its intricacies. - Learn every section thoroughly before connecting the sections. - Do not practise for speed. Rather the opposite! Practise for precision and for effectiveness in your movements. Speed is the freebie. In this, practise by repeating correct notes with correct fingering. This is how one programs the brain. Repeating errors is training the brain for errors, and this is part of the practising slowly bit. - Do not learn a few songs and repeatedly play them whilst learning the next one. You'll use a lot of time this way, and in the end you'll have a set of songs you know by heart and a set of songs you never learned well. Rather program your brain for one song at a time, and when all songs are done that way, revisit every song and augment its quality. Caveats: - IME the practice routine depends a lot also on how demanding the stuff is. If the band has relatively easy material, I'd start with the song that seems the most difficult. Things learned learning that song make the time spent on consecutive songs shorter. Conversely, if the stuff is demanding, then start with the least demanding ones so as to build up a certain acquaintance with the typical intricacies you're going to meet. - I'm writing as a classical musician who's done some jazz and a little rock. This background may be a bit wrong for the music you're learning, but me adopting above practice routine has made I can still play through some relatively demanding pieces well over 30 years after I last touched them - partly by heart.

Venice Beach? VENICE BEACH? That's 5,500 miles off topic !

[quote name='pete.young' timestamp='1497303357' post='3317225'] They weren't really anything to do with Canterbury, although Dave Stewart joined Hatfield and the North some years later. Think they were all London boys. [/quote] Oops! Sorry for that bit of misinformation, and thanks for the correction.

[quote name='fleabag' timestamp='1497284453' post='3317030'] Kinda spooky you mention the band Egg. 2 of my friends were both members of that band at different times, and i also have their first 2 CD's, which were Albumen and Travelator. I've also jammed with the Scott brothers who were founding members of Egg [/quote] Cool! Not that spooky though, considering your Egg is still fresh, whilst mine is excruciatingly rotten (for the uninitiated, Fleabag's Egg is from Oxford and still active, whilst mine had one or some member(s) from the Canterbury area and became defunct in the early 70s).

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[quote name='Rich' timestamp='1497178171' post='3316280'] You soulless old buggers [/quote] Hey..! Less of the 'You', if you don't mind..! ... ...

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1496053191' post='3308368'] Played properly there's nothing wrong with any of the songs mentioned so far. But that's the problem. They are very rarely played properly. [/quote] This hits the nail on its head, I think.

Good man. The world needs more TractorBass.

[quote name='Bassassin' timestamp='1495816666' post='3306864'] It's gonna hate w***el Rotary Engine, then. [/quote] Also, thanks for explaining "sw***y" for me. I really had no idea what word was meant. Will look it up.

Shhh... Peaceful.

[quote name='bazztard' timestamp='1495519562' post='3304316'] that and Yes - Fragile, and THAT song. My older mate pinched the LP from his older brother and I asked what instrument was making that sound, 'that's a bass guitar" he said [/quote] Do you mean The Fish or Roundabout? Or something else? I'd assume The Fish, but as it happens, for me personally Roundabout was the eye-opener (as a single, and before the album was released in Holland).

[i][b]Start[/b][/i] playing? Baroque, or more specifically: only Bach. But then electronic music came along, as well as prog and jazzrock, and pop and punk and... ...and it made me not stop playing.

[quote name='BassBus' timestamp='1494705801' post='3298078'] the E word we're not allowed to mention here. [/quote] Er... that's not a Porsche! That's a Jaguar, and thus safe to mention! "Exit"... avec chapeau.

You nailed it.

[quote name='gary mac' timestamp='1492948792' post='3284285'] Winging a Yes song [/quote] Oh the Silent Freedom of Winging!

As a customer: 1 - Physical medium if possible - preferably CD or DVD/BluRay music formats. Vinyl if must. If it's an artist I wish to support extra, I'll buy the downloads in addition. 2 - Downloads if must. 3 - No streaming ever.

[quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1490206683' post='3263266'] It's the old one of getting you to click a link. [/quote] Ah. Thanks!

Thanks! Is the point here that they want you to click on a link, as usual, or is there a new element or principle in this one?

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1488554169' post='3249996'] Butthole Surfers [/quote] Good call, and one that reminded me of another love of mine, though one that has seen some mention on these boards: Flux of Pink Indians.

Bach --> Penderecki --> Squire --> bass.