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[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1440786408' post='2853919'] One of the great pleasures of this thread has been a broadening of the usual debate to include not only a more detailed assessment of the Beatles' music but also some well considered refutations of the initial contention. Another pleasure has been the polite serenity with which the OP has made his argument, sometimes in the face of idiotically chippy personal ad-homs which would have many of us reaching for our profanisaurus. The thread has gone far beyond the Beatles and serves now more as a record of what happens when an oppressively vocal minority fail to impose their will on an individual. The conclusion posterity may draw is that it is inadvisable to stamp one's foot at the same time one is sh*tting one's pants. [/quote] Applause!

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1440716388' post='2853332'] I think all forms of music are sh*t! [/quote] Bah! This was a perfectly nice little thread until you had to come in with your facts and science and stuff like that.

Absolutely hated that. The cuts were just way too [b]short[/b]. Chops are two things: losers use them to show off; musicians use them as a musical tool, and in this vid, IMHO at least many used them as a tool. Kudos! Not everyone with chops is not a musician.

Gotta mention the fantastic Dave Stewart (keys) and Pip Pyle (drums) too. These guys are almost never mentioned, but easily perform on the levels of oft mentioned guys like Keith Emerson and Bill Bruford. Since I'm on now, also very much worth listening to are the bands Egg and National Health, IMS with some of the same musicians. Dave Stewart was also great in the band Bruford. IMHO etc.

So we've been having a great time for nothing then? Well, thank you!

Ah! It's reassuring that I'm only 18 months out of date. BTW, last time I recorded myself, a few years back, I still used my Fostex 250. Nice 4000D, BTW2. I used a similar one 30 years ago, actively using the delay in the Sound On Sound as a compositional tool. Great days.

[quote name='chriswareham' timestamp='1440074436' post='2848051'] Maybe he's still using the Atari ST version? [/quote] Hey! Careful, you! If the Atari ST version is out of date, then[b][i] I [/i][/b]am out of date!!!! . . Oh...

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1439839033' post='2846182'] I find a sentence containing the words 'large parts', 'organ' and 'thirty years ago' quite depressing. [/quote] ...and that's after I rephrased before posting, specifically so as to make it slightly more demanding for you to comment - something you of course did with ease anyway. Kudos!

[quote name='kodiakblair' timestamp='1439710380' post='2845079'] This no doubt is to cover the cache issue Mornats mentioned. [/quote] This isn't related to cache in the way we normally talk about cache, but about you being charged in their currency, and the real exchange rate being retrieved [b]after[/b] you have confirmed your order. IOW all the numbers you see in your own currency are guidelines, normally including the very last numbers you see. This would also mean that if the goods are not in stock, and dramatic changes occur in the exchange rates, you could be charged a considerably different amount in your own currency when your card is charged when the goods are sent - - something you normally either have accepted as part of their sales policy, and/or they have software in place to warn you in case it gets to be more expensive, and they give you a new chance to decide.

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1439627378' post='2844440'] "Animals" - you've heard the music, now eat the stars. [/quote] What a terribly misanthropic thing to write. I'm appalled! It would have been a lot more philanthropic had you eaten The Animals before they recorded their first song.

IME it also depends on the material. For example, I could still play large parts of certain organ pieces that I last visited more than 30 years ago. I just ran through a few of them in my head to find out, and it confirmed this. However, I would not at all be able to play any part of later band material, bands where I've predominantly played keyboards, plus a few gigs on bass. This leads me to believe that higher complexity (also meaning more time spent learning it) is a pre in this. Not science. Just my experience.

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Know what? It even works for album titles! Tomorrow will see the release of my band's new CD: "Greatest Prog Rock album ever". Thanks sooo much, HJ!

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1439220688' post='2840978'] Was Manfred Man Chapter 3 ever considered a Prog Rock band? [/quote] If once is good enough as "ever" then yes. I do! To me personally, prog is mainly about the unexpected, and about a preference for everything multi or poly. Multi-style, multi-meter, polyphony, etc. (Progsters aren't regular phonies; they're polyphonies.) To the degree that that personal take is workable, I'd say Chapter 3 were prog. Great call again. Luvverly band they were.

When I still played piano for jazz bands as a dep, before I got an electronic piano module, I used to lug around a huge and heavy Fender Rhodes electric piano as a back-up solution for a possibly bad local piano. Normally the piano at the venue was OK though. Once or twice the band leader actually commanded me to use a local, bad piano in preference above my perfect Rhodes - - something I've never really understood. BTW for those interested: Rhodes and Wurlitzer = electric, Nord = electronic.

[quote name='ForestPoetry' timestamp='1439146764' post='2840409'] Discipline by King Crimson [/quote] Great call! Another one, probably not after your liking though, is "Focus" by Cynic. A fantastic album in my book.

[quote name='barneyg42' timestamp='1439142716' post='2840369'] Bloody vultures I tell you! [/quote] What are their BC user names? I think we should politely ask them to help us keep up the BC myth... :-D

[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1439041240' post='2839587'] That's the first time I've seen Jazz From Hell described as progressive. [/quote] I wouldn't call it progressive as such, but personally still think of it as part of the prog direction (whatever Zappa thought about the term).

Count me in on the yes side. I think a metronome is a great tool for learning With a simple one beat metronome (as opposed to metric pattern ones), if something goes wrong, you just pick up the next beat again. I like it that way, and so I prefer an old-fashioned metronome above drum loops or (shudder) complete tracks to play along to. Personally, I couldn't stand the electronic metronomes I've heard, but that was a long time ago. I'd guess modern electronics offer both nice sound and tweakable feel of the meter.

I too was there, and thought it was overwhelmingly fantastic on first listen. After that first listen though, I prefer Rubber Soul, Revolver, Abbey Road and that Phil Spector wall-of-sound thingy. Will give it a new spin though, as I still did buy the CD.

Thanks for drawing my attention to "A Curious Feeling". I've never heard it, but am sufficiently intrigued now. As to the the greatest prog album, I wouldn't be able to choose at all, but for me the most [s]archetypal[/s] edit: iconic one would probably be "Close to the Edge". However, I don't trust my choice there, as CttE happens to be the album of my life. Others: Gentle Giant: The Power and The Glory Van der Graaf: The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome Frank Zappa: Jazz from Hell The (Dixie) Dregs: Unsung Heroes

[quote name='ladywithabass' timestamp='1438941102' post='2838790'] Peavey 115 TNT I have read somewhere they are indestructable. [/quote] Yes, they are. Just do NOT turn the special key ten times and press the red T handle down. You should be OK as long as you avoid that. ;-) My Peavey practice combo is roughly 25 years old, and it doesn't even have noisy pots. Perfec! :-) Welcome from another Dutchie - one who started with bass at age 55. I hope you'll enjoy BC like most do. It's basically a friendly place with decent people.

Yes. They normally go by air. Nike Air. :-)

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1438869633' post='2838253'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]And it's not every well-loved, iconic bass player who gets an entire range of basses named after him by Fender [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color] [/quote] Hehehe. Ya know, a Dutch musicians' mag once stated that in all seriousness, and they had even noticed the difference in spelling. .

Skylarking, Oranges & Lemons, Nonsuch, Apple Venus Volume 1 To my ears, they are four of their very best albums, and, if one disregards the Dukes of Stratosphear's "Psonic Psunspot", these albums were made consecutively, and after the mentioned breakdown. My take would be that that breakdown did NOT have a negative effect on their music. Also, do we really know the exact nature of the breakdown and its effect on Partridge's health in the decades after it? I guess we do not. I do agree with the OP's warm words regarding Moulding though.