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3 hours ago, warwickhunt said:

...but it isn't any different!    

The actual output of a designated/dedicated bass amp is governed by the balance/set-up between input gain and output attenuator (often just labelled 'volume').  The output from a power amp is likewise governed by preamp gain settings feeding the power amp input and then the power amp output/volume control(s).  

They ARE different though!

A dedicated bass head say off 500w RMS will give all its power out of one output - 500w with a 4Ohm cab, and approx 250w with an 8ohm cab....and thats pretty much that.

A dedicated power amp (take the QSC 1450) will work in 2 different ways. It will give its output out of 2 outputs - 500w per channel with a 4 ohm cab, apprx 250w per channel with an 8ohm cab.....thats if you are using a standatrd speakon cable with the amp in stereo mode. So as you can only use one channel (if youre using one cab), thats all you will get - between 250-500w.

BUT, flick it to bridged mode, and use a dedicated (wired differently) speakon cable and youll get approx DOUBLE that from one channel - channel A.So youre now at approx 1000w with a 40hm cab and 500w with an 8ohm cab with all that coming from just the one output.

Thats how if you think youre using a 2000w power amp with a 200w cab, I actually think youre probably using it in stereo mode at 250-500w output.

I might be wrong though, but some people dont understand how power amps work differently from designated bass guitar ones. Hopefully the above shows how you can get approx double the output from the same channel, depending on how you actually set the amp up. In theory, the difference could be huge - using an 8ohm cab in stereo mode the amp would give a max of 250w, using a 4ohm cab in bridged mode could give you 4 times the power at 1000w - all from the same amp.

So it isnt just the volume dial of the power amp you have to take into consideration.

sorry, i meant the power amp he was referring to, not the bugera.

I use a QSC 1450rmx and regularly adjust its settings and cables to the cab im using at that time. Just explaining that plugging into a power amp, can be a different game to plugging in to a designated bass amp.

34 minutes ago, warwickhunt said:

Really...   

What do you struggle with?  You simply don't whack the gain/volume/output on full (saying that I always ran my power amp on full and controlled the input gain for a clean signal), I know loads of people who run big power amps into cabs of a couple hundred watts... it is simple and safe.  

As for why buy a higher powered amp than you need; headroom, future-proofing, etc etc.  I'd ask why buy a smaller amp than you 'might' need in the future?

That's not right though is it.

You need to find out how it's giving out 2000w.

Just guessing, but I'd imagine that's bridged at 4ohm.

To get that output, you'd need a 4ohm cab and to not only run the amp in bridged mode, (selector switch is/menu) but more than likely need a bridged cable too (different speakon connection).

Just plugging a power amp into an 8ohm cab is probably running stereo about 250-350w per side. So if you run from one side into your cab, that's what your getting. Not 2000w.

34 minutes ago, warwickhunt said:

Really...   

What do you struggle with?  You simply don't whack the gain/volume/output on full (saying that I always ran my power amp on full and controlled the input gain for a clean signal), I know loads of people who run big power amps into cabs of a couple hundred watts... it is simple and safe.  

As for why buy a higher powered amp than you need; headroom, future-proofing, etc etc.  I'd ask why buy a smaller amp than you 'might' need in the future?

That's not right though is it.

You need to find out how it's giving out 2000w.

Just guessing, but I'd imagine that's bridged at 4ohm.

To get that output, you'd need a 4ohm cab and to not only run the amp in bridged mode, (selector switch is/menu) but more than likely need a bridged cable too (different speakon connection).

Just plugging a power amp into an 8ohm cab is probably running stereo about 250-350w per side. So if you run from one side into your cab, that's what your getting. Not 2000w.

That's hardly 2000w though.

8 minutes ago, warwickhunt said:

How would it defeat the point?

Why buy a big high powered amp and not use it?

Just buy a smaller one.

I struggle to believe you've run an amp at 2000w into a standard 200w cab. Or if you are, your not running it bridged, and/or are not using a bridged cable. This brings it down from 2000w to around 300w (8ohm running one side) as a guess.

That would defeat the point.

And you've no idea how much power youre putting in via your volume dial.

You don't need ridiculous power.

If you were getting 1000-2000w rms from behringer - you'd never have a cab to use with it, bar an 8x10. Certainly couldn't use it with your standard 250-300w cab.

Loved my abm600.

So much power it was frightening through my 610.

All id say is if you do get one, take lots of time to work out what each slider on the eq does, it'll help you get a real grasp of how to get the sound youre after quickly.

Also ..... Remember to work out the comical in or out  for the pre shape and active/passive button.

Oh, and they're beautiful made and finished.

Youre only as good as the combined total sound of your band.

What equipment you use to get that total sound will have an effect if used and implemented correctly.

doh! i knew i should have gone for it! Worse - there were x2 mint ashdown ABM 4x10s available with it for an extra £100 !

Ah well, im sure theres some bill somewhere that needs paying instead!

Doh! ive missed it now im afraid. Could have got it in mint condition for £300.

Didn't John use rotosound 77 flats?

I bought a set for my p bass and it fairly nails the sound (just not the skill!).

Just have one guy doing your sound. That way you've no arguments at all. You'll end up with the best possible sound and no individual squabbling.

Having a bass drum and a bass amp just for the bass drum sound is pretty naive on numerous levels. Mainly though how on Earth does he think it's balanced for the crowd if he's in control of eq and volume, but sat behind a kit when the crowd are 50ft away hearing that amongst everything else.

PA all the way.

Hi all,

Pretty self explanatory really. Has any one used, had, played through an svt6 pro?

Weight doesn't bother me, but I have a chance to pick one up, but there's scarce info on them out there.

Thanks. thanks

The EVO IV head is fantastic. Just take time to work out what each slider does and itll be fantastic.

People seem to love them with Barefaced cabs.

However, having owned a SC g3 - and i loved it, if i was to buy again I would be a super twin - especially if you are after the sounds you previously had from a 4x10 & 1x15 cab set up. Replacing it with a single 12 falls short when loud.

Choice of cab for me now is a markbass 610 for big gigs, and i picked up an ashdown RM212 (2x12) for ridiculously cheap money for smaller gigs. The 212 is pretty heavy for what it is though - seems heavier than an Ashdown compact 210.

Will post, but buyer must arrange courier and take full responsibility for item, insurance etc.

Gutted to have to sell this - but needs must.

Its in excellent condition - been racked all its life.

Its hands down the best all in one amp solution ever in my opinion.

x2 channels - all with individual controls and blend controls, which can also be mixed together and dual ins and outs. This enables you to either run x2 basses (one on each channel) or one bass across both channels (individually or combined) as required.

Comes with the following amp models, which are superb:

markbass LM, markbass tube, trace elliot, gallien kruger, swr red head, ampeg svt, ampeg blue face, tech 21 vt, fender bassman, sunn T - and more.

also has built in fx such as compression, chorus, envelope, delay etc all PC adjustable and very high quality.

AND a built in tuner!

The 500w is much much louder than any other class D ive heard - ive never had it above 12 oclock and ive done big gigs.

AND ITS ONLY 3.2KG !!

PRICE £495. Pick up Leyland, Preston, Lancashire.

spec here:

a few specs and videos here.

http://www.markbass.it/product-detail/markbass-evo1/

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=markbass+evo1

Your laney is a 300w 8ohm cab.

To get that at 8ohm, youd be looking at a 500w amp to achieve it.

What you are actually doing is putting around 75w into a 300w cab. Hence the big drop in volume.

If John ever did want to explain his gear etc, he wouldn't have to involve the press or journalists nowadays.

Just get an agent to set up a YouTube account on his behalf and post a video.

No journalists, no awkward questions, no involvement from anyone, no intrusions, no tracability. Just whatever he wanted to show.

Oh, and make sure to disable the comments option to avoid the morons!

Good on him for what he wants to do. Certainly earned the right to life a private life.

Reduced to £195.

Well ......... a last minute bit of luck today.

Looking for a smallish cab for a small set up (if i had to travel in a car etc) i managed to win an Ashdown RM212 for a great price. 

Now, these look very lightweight to me ......... but theyre not. Theyre well built i must say.

Sounds good on first play in the house. Although not that much smaller than my 6x10.

Good to see the return of no wheels for transportation and a welcome hello again to the side handles which help remove the skin from your knuckles when going through doorways!

So, ive now got 2 very capable set ups, and im very happy with them .......... lets see how long before the next swap!

11 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

I’ve gone from Lightweight Ashdown rig (800w and compact 210/115 which was by far and away the best rig I’ve had in years - and because I’m not gigging I’ve bought a huge heavy Hughes and Kettner combo.

A big heavy rig for home, and lightweight rig for gigging  love it!

It just makes no sense when i look back!

Swap a massive full on stack because i want something small, then get something small, be happy, and then decide to beef it up a little by making it bigger than the original big rig.

I swear i could have swore out loud when i actually picked up the QSC and it felt like a small planet! (id forgot how heavy old school power amps are).

The irony is its now heavier than an Ampeg rig - which this is supposed to be a lightweight version of !

I managed to get a speakon today to rewire.

Its a NLT4FX.

but, i cant for the life of me work out how to open it, it seems like a metal version of the usual speakons?

any ideas?