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Steve Harris Him and the fact that I always identified with the rhythm section more - guitars and vocals (fabulous as they are ) always seemed like window dressing for the bit that was connecting with me and making the people bounce. Still love the almost hidden power of the bass - we do a couple of AC/DC covers where it's guitars and drums for quite a bit before I come in. This always makes me smile because at that point, the real heft arrives and kickstarts the heartbeat of the song. And that's me doing that, but I bet most punters don't realise it! (but I don't mind...)

I played straight in for years but now enjoy my pedals very much, but I rely on my basic tone for a lot of the set just using combinations of my EQ, Chorus/Flanger, Envelope Filter, Bass Synth Wah and clean boost for certain bits of the covers we do. I've got a VT Bass and a Cog Grand Tarkin 'waiting' in a cupboard - both great pedals but I've recently found that I get the hard rock sound I want occasionally from using the EQ pedal. So the drives are off. I also have a simple on/off loop pedal on my board, so I can 'pre-load' several pedals and turn them all on and off at once with one tap. Instantly takes me back to just my core tone. I can and do play without effects - but life is too short to not mix things up a bit!

Cheers all We'd like to put mostly vox in - of the 5 of us, three of us sing (one of the guitarists, drummer and singer), and I occassionally make some 'almost singing' noises.. I do quite a bit of the 'banter' though. We'd like to get a bit of guitars in the monitors too - especially as the guys often play in harmony, so would be for helpful them to have a good reference for each other. Although they are both clear out front, it's less clear back with with me and the drummer in between and one of our guitarists is actually quite deaf. We want to put more through the PA cabs to reduce backline a bit, so this seems a logical approach (at the moment anyway!) The drummer and other guitarist could probably do with different mixes, with their vox a bit higher. [quote][/quote] [quote name='leftybassman392' timestamp='1449081320' post='2920657'] ETA: Do you really need someone out front for pub gigs? Sweaty rooms? Trailing wires for people to trip over? Alcoholic beverages and tipsy punters in close proximity to electricity...? [/quote] No we don't have anyone mixing us - I worded this poorly, I just meant from an initial set up perspective. Currently it's a case of one of us stood out front and employing sign language to another one twiddling knobs on the mixer amp. Not great, while trying to all play and get a balance. So the Wi Fi bit for me was more about just one of us being able to mix it on a tablet on a bar stool or something and then 'set and forget' for the night. Cheers all.

Hi all I've had some great advice on here concerning active PA cabs recently ( we've grabbed a second hand pair of RCF 325's which hopefully will be with us soon.) Now, other bits :- Monitors - yes, it'd be nice to have lovely ones of these too - but for now we're going budget. My question is given a choice between 10" and 12" floor wedges is there much 'real' difference. Smaller size makes me favour 10's - any thought's? We are going cheap remember! Mixers - will throw a bit more cash at this. Do like the look of those WiFi jobs Soundcraft Ui16 and Behringer X Air, but we are coming from a very basic Peavey power mixer amp - so be interested to know what you guys think about the new WiFi jobs compared to a more 'normal' desk. We are a 5 piece playing pubs and as you'll know it's often a squeeze, so size makes me favour the WiFi jobs along with the obvious mixing 'out front.' Cheers all Jason

There's quite a lot of Facebook groups that sell music stuff. I've joined a few and just keep my eyes open on them -bad for gas though.

Great stuff, thanks again all. Phill's explanation of what those DSP's actually do is really useful too. Cheers!

Cheers all, helpful as ever! The steer on db ratings certainly makes sense probably over my original question re power rating. I know that 120db is often cited as 'rock concert' level so having a bit of headroom on top of this makes sense to me, will check those ratings. I think it's the horns that let our current set up down a bit. The sub is just a 'potential' add on at this stage, mostly if we do anywhere a bit bigger for the kick. My own backline can be either a 210/212 or both and then it moves plenty of air, so as long as it's balanced I'm 'less' concerned about my own needs. Would like that fat kick drum thump though ;-)

Hi all I'm thinking about changing our PA, we now have a good singer who exposes the limitations of our existing and venerable PA rig. We're also thinking about putting some of the backline through to get a bit more even spread etc. guitars, bit of kick (we've always just run on backline before.) Anyhow, thinking about active tops and [u]maybe[/u] a sub for those bigger venues where we want to push more through the PA. I reckon 12's would be good for the tops and a bit smaller than our current passive 15s. Question is, how much power is enough? I understand the headroom arguments etc. but with active cabs ranging from 300 to 900 watt I don't really want to shell out for more headroom than I'll need. Think typical pub rock scenario - we play loud enough to rock but not ear-splitting levels. I can't see us moving completely away from a decent backline volume either, so the PA is for more projection and spread rather than doing all the work. Anyway, you know what I mean. So what do you guys use? Cheers PS - lots of love on here for RCF cabs, I note that DB Technologies are the same company etc. - anyone like them too?

Clutch - Shepherds Bush, can't wait for this one! Arch Enemy and Nightwish - neither of which I know much about (band Xmas night out!) Blackstone Cherry, Halestorm, Shinedown - like a good few others here. Download - in my mates caravan (there are some advantages to being middle aged )

[quote name='Naetharu' timestamp='1445526456' post='2892158'] Humm, no idea to be honest. I used to know James that ran it back around 1999 but I've not seen him in years. Only just moved back to Essex so I'm a little out of touch with the scene around here right now. [/quote] Think it's probably the studios called Unit One now - run by Dom from Music Warehouse. Suspect it hasn't changed much.

That's an interesting question - now I wouldn't expect a jazz band to be particularly loud and the same with several other types of music. But conversely a quiet rock/punk/metal band etc. would seem 'wrong' somehow. Wonder if there's some psychological thing going on here!

Hadn't spotted the two basses, well that means one of my bands can enter because we've got two! Should thin the entrants down a bit, just as well, because we definitely aren't the best at anything....

Hi all Just spotted this and thought that it might be of interest to some of you [url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/takepart/part_time_band"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/takepart/part_time_band[/url]

Best bassist for metal - the Tin Man! No way, this is the guy.... [size="2"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9YpnklYhxY[/size]

I thought it was going to be Angel of Death by Slayer - still different strokes 'n all that

Ah. But what type of metal? Heavy, thrash, black, death, glam, hair, nu, metalcore, butt....I'm afraid the quest continues

Personally, I quite like a bit of heft, backs up my claim that bass is more 'manly' than guitar

[size="2"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/249435-lets-talk-lighting/page__hl__let[/size] Worth a look.

Going through this too at the moment. I've got 4 ledj 7Q5s that will probably be enough for our pub rock needs. Nicely made units that can go on bars or on the floor. I found the pre-programs to spend too much time in the lighter/pastel colours so have just dipped my toe into DMX with a basic unit. It's starting to make a bit more sense and does mean that you can have pretty much whatever you want colour wise etc. So I've now got a few simple chases (sequences) that I've built myself and that I can speed up/slow down or set to react to the music.they can either fade in and out or change quickly too. Evidently the software route is easier still to control but not sure I want/know enough to start looking at that just yet. I've also done a mad red and white strobey bit for a heavy number in the set and evidently it looks pretty good - think we might all pass out if I used it too often though... Beware though, I have discovered lights GAS...

Thanks for the suggestions all, and the very thorough post above Phil. We'll be methodically working on the pa and existing rig to get that as good as it can be and then will probably get out and a/b a few mics in a store. Great to have a list and some pointers though. My guitarist mate is also following this thread (Hi Cookie!) and he's the 'techy' one so he's collating a short list from the suggestions above.

Thanks guys - lots of options here !

Hi all I'd be interested to know what any of you are using successfully for pub gigging. Rock band with high and clean female vox. Our singer is classically trained, but not massively loud so we tend to have to have the gain running pretty high on her channel. Currently using an SM58 and have occasional feedback problems. PA is nothing fancy, a Peavey mixer amp and passive cabs. We do run lead vox through a TC Helicon too. We run on backline - not via the PA. Cheers Jason

I play in one band with two bass players - we make it work ok. This guy sounds like a complete knob to me though.Maybe suggest he forms a band, does the practice, get everyone up to scratch then let you just pitch up and play. You must destroy his overgrown violin with Trace Power!!

What's that coming over the hill? Is it a monster? Is that your gut or the front of a bus? Did you eat my doubla-burger?