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[quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1437652038' post='2827850'] I would always have the Octave last, so that you don't compress out any of it's sub by having driver after it in the chain. You may sacrifice a bit of tracking, but if you're feeding the octave a really gnarly tone enough to cause tracking issues, you're probably not fussed about a smooth octave sound. [/quote] You can get around the tracking by splitting the signal at the start of the chain (preferably after a compressor), sending one half to the octave and the other to the rest, and blend near the end of chain.

Careful with phrases like noise floor, youll make me want to start talking about gain structure. =P Id still suggest trying ordering your pedals in these 'unadvised' orders. The more you play about, the better an understanding youll get for how each of your pedals acts. And Id defiantly suggest chorus before dirt pedals. A slow deep chorus before an OD then fuzz can get you a great grunge sound.

There is no 'best' order. Part of the fun of pedals is playing about and finding the order that works for you and your band. Effects affect each other differently in different orders. (now thats a weird sentence) So try out the pedals in different combinations to see how they (and there controls) affect your overall sound. This will also help give you more of a feel for each control, which helps if a knob gets knocked and you need to fix mid set.

With compressors what controls you have and what metering you have available is very important.I would recommend a compressor that has atleast threshold ratio switch(though preferably dial) attack release and make-up gain(end volume). You will probably also need atleast an LED to show you how much compression you are applying (brighter=more compression/duller=less). Compression is one of those things that is hard to set up if you are just listening to the sound, especially if your the one playing as you will end up adjusting your volume as you tweak the settings. [url="http://www.ovnilab.com/"]Ovnilab[/url] is a great place for compressor reviews/knowledge/tips, so you should probably check that out. Edit: Thought id mention what compressor i use, its a markbass compressore, and love it.

It looks like the ribbon cable came loose, Its happened to me on a couple of laptops before. Shouldnt of been too hard to fix. Glad you got a refund/replacement.

A hard limiter will allow you to cap feedback volume. Are you talking about acoustic feedback from your amp/Pups, or a feedback looper pedal?

Arguing first vslast is like arguing flanger vs phaser, or which pedal you should stick your expression into. Does similar but different things. Theres merits for either/both. If i didnt have more pressing GAS id be after a compressor w/ side-chaining to put last alongside my compressore at the start. And as for compression as a tool vs effect, that changes depending on what your looking for. I think its great that it can be used as both, not many effects have that kind of versatility.

Oh, and i run my compressor first in my chain to even out my playing/add a little attack. I find it best at the start to give a little more control over my drive pedals and give better tracking on my sonuus b2m (bass to midi box).

I use a zoom ms60b as part of my board, and it sounds great. All the newer zoom units use the same algorithms (by newer i mean b3/ms60b/b1on). Id definitely suggest getting a zoom one. The differences between the newer zoom units are: b3. 3 effects, all with own footswitch and knobs. ms60b. 4 effects, smaller footprint (same size as your average boss pedal) b1on. 5 effects, middle sized footprint, cheapest (+avilable as b1xon with an expression pedal attached).

+1 for ovnilabs, invaluable resource. The best way to imagine a compressor as a sound guy with his finger on the fader controlling your volume. every time you play too loud he turned your volume down, and then when you play quietly he turns the volume back up. You can tell him that you want the overall volume to be louder or quieter, or you can tell him to be quicker/slower of the draw (and give more/less attack to the note).

Zooms BDDI simulation is quite good, and comes with a mid control.

Yeah, feedback loopers are fun, but its sometimes hard to strike the sweat-spot between unnoticeable and self-oscillating (when thats not what you want). Maybe an Ebow+Pre/OD would be a better approximation?

Well what it does is sustain the note longer than normal by matching the frequency of the strings, and also feed the sound back through the amp circuit. You could maybe put a compressor and an overdrive in a feedback loop (the looper pedal kind that blends the return back out to the send), but that would be hard to control, maybe better just to use them without and try and replicate the sound that way.

I would suggest something that atleast has isolated outputs. Problems from unisolated can really be a pain.

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1436258588' post='2816407'] It's more than just sustain though isn't it? Some harmonic overtones maybe? [/quote] Then go into an pre/od to add some in.

Side effects may include a complaining guitarist, though may it be noted that this can be cured if you double the dose.

You can add sustain with the release control on your compressor, or with some drive pedals (drive pedals having an innate compression to them anyway). I wouldnt worry about the quality of the newer zoom digital effects. I have a Ms60b on my board and now wouldnt go without it. To replace it with individual effects would not only take alot of realestate, but also require things like modding pedals to add a mids control (which the zoom has, but the original does not).

[quote name='Muppet' timestamp='1435958794' post='2814073'] Whilst the gigrig is great I think as power supply for two basic pedals it's a bit over the top. Even if you add in a couple more pedals (tuner, chorus etc) you're still in regular power supply territory. [/quote] yeah, but if you have 2 youll find a 3rd. Then you may as well fill you mini board out with 5/6 Then there is just that one more pedal you need, so you upgrade to a bigger board... I started with just a tuner, relying on just my bass for my tone, and now im working on adding a gameboy to my board so that i can trigger notes off it with my bass.

I think the best option is the [url="http://www.thegigrig.com/acatalog/Power.html"]gigrig power system[/url], though it is a bit pricey. I have one powering my board. A cheaper option i would go for would be a gigrig issolator with a 1spot (or similar). This way you still isolate your pedals and have the ability to upgrade to the gigrig generator if you outgrow the 1spot. You can forgo the distributor as its basically just a daisy chain (just a little neater/ more expensive).

bump, still havent gotten my hands on a multimeter yet. Surely someone has a gigrig power supply wire and a multimeter in the house and can help me out?

Id go for one of the zoom units. I have a MS60B and never had a problem with it. But I mainly use it for always on effects as part of a board. I think you'd be better off with the b3, you can switch effects on/off easier on stage and it comes with a DI.

I need to know if the white or black leads connect to centre (negative), but dont have a multimeter about. If someone has these nearby, could you check for me? Many thanks in advance.

i love my ms60b, but i use it for mostly-on effects. the B3 would be better if you need to turn multiple effects on/off during a performance, (though has only 3 effects). Thinking about it, nowadays i would go for the b1on over the ms60b unless i really needed the real estate on my board.

[quote name='Kev' timestamp='1435695649' post='2811629'] This would only happen if you also unplugged the 9V. Having a lead plugged into the 9V disconnects the battery in most pedals, regardless of whether the power us on or not, so you don't need to unplug the patches. [/quote] I did not know that.

leave the 9v out, especially if its not rechargeable. Plugging in a power supply in to a pedal with a non-rechargeable battery in it can cause the battery to leak and damage the pedal. I have quite a few pedals on my board that take batteries, all plugged into my power supply without batteries in them. Another thing to note is that when you have a jack plugged into a pedal with a battery, the battery will keep the pedal on. This means the battery will drain unless you unplug your patch leads when not in use. I would also unplug the volto when your board is not in use. Edit: ive never used a MXR pedal, but i see no reason that they would be any different to any other pedal ive used. You could also contact their customer service, but im sure they'd mirror what ive said.