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59 minutes ago, fretmeister said:
Darkglass innit.
There'll be the Ultra version in a month for an extra 20%.
That’ll be the 5 string version then 😏😂
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The other interesting thing here is the 2 band, super clean sounding EQ - but still with the unique fat sounding slap/pop sound.
Clearly aimed at metal bassists - i think it’s quite an interesting departure. Bright red or bright blue I might be even more interested.
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The 100 is the limited granite stone colour - which is available in The Vault so can be bought internationally - apparently Andertons have the black one on their site. The Vault version won’t have retailer’s mark up (which seems to be quite considerable these days - and very variable dependent on who you’re using).
I think it sounds pretty awesome but I’m not a metal player or even approaching being one 😂
The modes are easily switchable with the blade switch (as he appears to do in the video).
I would imagine this will go down well with some parts of the market.
The black version is the regular one.
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Nope - Christmas sort of - unless the sauce material was wrong!! 😩 (ps I’ve taken to leaving auto correct errors for added effect!!)
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Aherm…..bass players (I could find):-
Lemmy; Elvis Presley
Non bass players:-
Annie Lennox; Ricky Martin: Ed Miliband; Nostradamus….
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What…….. 19 posts in and no Andy Fraser
This must be one of the fattest bass sounds ever - and with regard to another thread, is helpful when there are guitar solos 😏
Ps won’t embed - such a good live sound
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1 minute ago, Waddo Soqable said:
You'd probably be the man to know, what was the score with the passive elec ones? Was it the same Pups just with no pre amp?, I presume they sound like a rather bland version of the usual thing ??
They were cheaper and iirc there was a bunch of them unsold at the Bass Gallery that they sold off for around £400 each - it seems everyone wanted the active version. They sound and play fine.
It’s really weird the way fashions change - back in that mid 2000s era everyone chose the 3 band Stingray - nowadays there’s more love for the 2 band than there was!! It’s the same with flatwounds - mind you I’ve just fitted two of my basses with new roundwounds (Stingray Special and Sabre) - any thoughts of flatwounds have completely disappeared - what a sound!!
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1 minute ago, Waddo Soqable said:
Funnily enough the listing on "my" one is still live if you click it, he still hasn't marked it Sold. maybe he's expecting it to be thrown back a few times!
If it was from FB Marketplace and in Leicester……. 😯 but yes they’re probably very slow dealing with it on their site!
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30 minutes ago, tegs07 said:
I just take the stand that if I’m the high bidder I get it if I’m not I don’t. Not going to offer extra.
If some one is looking for a bass at a budget and people work together to find one in that budget I can’t see an issue with that either.
Yeah good view if you’re bidding. Back in 2010 or so, I bid on an immaculate 1989 trans red Ray with fabulous birds eye maple neck and board - I dropped out at £900 - it went for £1200 - what I didn’t realise was the tear drop case alone was worth £300 (as the up market pre EB basses - eg Cutlass, as well as some Rays and Sabres came in those). Mind you every cloud - I got a similarly beautiful 93 fretless in its original deluxe gig bag, immaculate, a couple of weeks later for just over £750!! Did a lot of gigs with that bass (paid for itself several times over). I still have it 👍
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22 minutes ago, Waddo Soqable said:
Well I certainly wasn't wanting to do Arthur Daley buy them and "flip" em type deals
I simply wanted a bass of that type, that was within my limited budget, the suggestion of that ad was a good one and thanks for making it 👍 ...I'd much rather keep the bass and If the Bass Direct guy would bounce me £50 back that'd be absolutely fine and fair play, they've said they wrongly described it, their fault etc so I think the above would be reasonable. At last message however they don't seem to be interested in a fair compromise.
I guess you’ve got the choice of sending it back and wait for another to pop up somewhere. Presuming used prices haven’t gone through the roof, you should get one between £500 and £600 I’d guess. As for the BD remark about normal prices, whoever said that there clearly doesn’t have a clue - BUT it will be a commission sale so very probably 15% added to the price the seller gets.
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6 minutes ago, Waddo Soqable said:
That looks a v.nice deal, unfortunately a bit above the contents of my wallet at the mo
I presume you have to be on facebok to see and reply to these, I don't do fb but as mentioned a few pages ago might be worth starting one just for that purpose !
Is the marketplace open to all or is it very specific groups only tge ads go out to, ie basses by certain makes etc ? Excuse my ignorance but fb is something I've always avoided !
Yes especially dangerous when buying Sansamps!! 😩
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On 15/06/2021 at 07:45, tegs07 said:
Very ethical of you. Personally I look at buying and selling things very dispassionately.
I try and do the ‘right’ thing basically - and yes I think there is a morality involved - I’m not in it as a business so can afford to take such a view - there are businesses which do the right thing and others which don’t . I’m afraid that market traderesque bartering is something that doesn’t appeal - particularly when dealing with luxury items (which musical instruments are).
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Don’t you just love the Basschat threads take a life of their own - this one seems to have become a repository for posting every low ball Stingray price on the net worldwide.
On the Bass Direct Sub what do ‘the experts’ here think is the correct rating of condition? And if @Waddo Soqable likes the bass why send it back because of the neck points - I would ask for a reduction - maybe £50.
But it’s all not relevant to this thread title anyway?? I am coming away with the impression that there are a number of market trader-esque of used car salesman/ buyers on the forum which will make me think twice about selling anything here!!
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This article plus stories from one or two people I know in the industry reveal another ‘unforeseen’ issue from Brexit. If firms are offering 20% wage increases just to retain/recruit delivery drivers, it looks like shipping costs (and everything else costs) are going to ‘inflate’….. Anyone get the distinct feeling that those promoting Brexit either didn’t have a clue about economics or anything else?! Whilst Covid issues are also wrapped up in this, the fact that UK’s economy has ‘bounced back significantly slower than any other comparable economy suggests another economic condition other than Covid effect has occurred.
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Just now, peteb said:
I'm afraid that I'm one of these people and I don't think that I'm alone.
I know that EBMM have brought out many different versions over the past twenty or so years, but I just wanted a pretty standard Ray because it's a great bass with a classic / unique sound. I don't really need a variant of that model, even though they may well be decent basses.
Let's just say that you can get a really nice 90s 3eq Stingray 4H for a pretty good price if you do a bit of searching. This represents great value for what is a well made, great sounding, iconic bass that can cover just about any gig.
No problem - I know there a few people on here and TB who have that point of view view 👍 I’m just saying there are other points of view which differ - the commission sales in shops (not just of Stingrays) show there is a broader market. There’s a whole thread full of problems relating to scammers on FB market place so you takes your chance there - on the other hand there are also FB groups for some instruments - like supporters clubs - and I guess like car clubs (eg the MG Car Club), people might sell to each other within that as they’re all enthusiasts.
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9 hours ago, peteb said:
I'm not sure of your point here. For most people, a Ray is what it is (American built 4H / 5H, 2 or 3 eq).
I feel this needs challenging as I know there are some people on here that have this view and buy and sell Stingrays because they like the idea, then can’t get on with them - or maybe do this several times think - this is not necessarily reflective of the market for Stingrays and is really an oversimplification and although I don’t want to start a silly poll (and as Basschat is fairly unrepresentative of the broader bass market it wouldn’t be much help anyway), there are a fair few people around who are a bit more discerning than that. There are vast differences across the years of production and certainly since 2005, there have been a range of additional options, and loads of variations of models, both standard and short run. Since 2018 there has been the introduction of the Stingray Special model. That’s before you get into desirable or otherwise colours - even back into the 80s and 90s. A new one is the mid 90s was £750 - a new one now is in the high £2ks. (The US Subs were about £425/450 new in the 2003-6 production period - gig bag (no case) - the passive was slightly cheaper).
Saying a Stingray costs x is about as helpful in the real world as saying a Classic Mini was on sale for £5k, and a Classic Cooper S might be a bit more (oh yeah - a mint one might actually be £45k) - apart from for people who just want a Stingray and don’t actually care (I think it is a major presumption that is the market). It doesn’t just apply to Stingrays - the same is true of other basses (eg Warwick - tons of models - different values; Precisions - vast range of models of more or less the same thing - vast range of prices - occasional ‘bargains’ for one reason or another).
I must say if I found a Ray being sold by a struggling muso, and it was a model I was really after, you wouldn’t catching me offering a low ball price, in fact I would be more than happy to pay a going rate and probably more - I’d be more than happy to outbid the ‘flippers’. If I did pay a low ball price, I would most certainly feel I was taking advantage of such a person, who you could consider to be in a ‘vulnerable’ position - there is a distasteful side to capitalism imho!
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10 minutes ago, Waddo Soqable said:
Good to know BD have a decent rep. as a seller anyway, I've heard of them, but not ever bought from them before. Would have been nice to have had a confo email from them by now tho ( maybe they do it by hand, not automated )
It's a very long time since I had a proper Stingray so comparison will be tinged with memory clouds !
I have one (amongst its 9 other more expensive (some very much more) siblings. They’re great and sound exactly as a 2 band Stingray should - the string of cost saving measures are largely on body material (multiple, poorly matched pieces of poplar), no contours (so slab body as pre EB and Stingray Classic), neck finishing (covered with black paint - lack of hand finished fret end slots etc), body finish (textured) but the electronics and hardware are all standard (but unbranded hardware) US Stingray bits. Just remember the price of these has increased, and like with normal Stingrays, a lot of people prefer them stock!
A good purchase though - they sound exactly as you’d expect a poplar bodied, rosewood board 2 band Stingray to.
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23 minutes ago, Eldon Tyrell said:
Sorry, could not resist 😉
😂 I’ve ceased bothering to defeat the silly profanity filter - the correct word was the male version of a hen - bizarrely a pink torpedo according to this forum!!!
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19 minutes ago, peteb said:
I think that you and a few others are over estimating the value of s/h Stingrays.
(I ended up selling it on commission at Bass Direct).
I don’t agree with the first point. The last point is the key to it - look at the prices achieved on commission sales at places like The Gallery. You’re not the first here to say they’d achieved sales on commission, recently where they couldn’t for appropriate prices elsewhere.
I just wonder if prices for some basses are now beyond what the people frequenting this forum and EBay etc are willing to pay unless people want a quick sale as they need the cash.
A lot depends on the person buying - if they ‘just want a Ray or a P - any one will do’, they may not be typical of the broader market.
Just look at the price of used Wals (for specific reasons).
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4 hours ago, warwickhunt said:
Oh and a pukka USA Sunburst Ray with case was just advertised and sold 15 miles from me for £750... maybe we all have it wrong and we see what we want to see.
Well that is quite bonkers!! I paid £750 for a used one in 2005 and that is 16 yrs ago…..someone has a bargain there. I wouldn’t sell any of mine for that price as they simply are worth more (both to me and based on the market).
As I have said earlier, prices are generally increasing - but there will always be outliers (not least if people are desperate to sell - or there’s a pink torpedo up in valuation by the seller - I do recall a couple of years back someone saying they’d bought a US Sub for a price more appropriate to an import Sub).
Car prices are another good pointer……. the worry is this is all the tip of an iceberg and the supply problems will inflate prices of everything and thus fuel inflation - I’m sure there are others who remember the days of 15% per annum being the norm.
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6 hours ago, bloke_zero said:
Sam Wilkes gets a lot of fusion clarity with a P - I'd love to know the exact details but looks a lot like a modern american P:
Nice tracks - @bloke_zero he appears to be using an octaver on both tracks and I’d say the P bass has flats from the sound - I like this type of sound and playing which is quite similar to Pino. However, what the P can’t do is a more upfront clean bass sound with plenty of top - as an example, back in the early 70s, there were examples of Walters using a trebly sound on a Precision - and then there was Squire with a proper treble sound not on a Precision….. similarly hear Edwards playing finger pops on his flats equipped Ray (We Are Family for instance) and compare with the same on a Precision (even Sam Wilkes on the attached films).
The Precision is a really good instrument and also played with a pick BUT it certainly can’t cover certain ground, even with EQ and pre amp assistance - and even then there are styles for which it is not, for me, the most appropriate choice.
It’s all a matter of personal taste really.
Last night I was watching some live footage of Alan Spenner playing in around 1974 - as well as great playing and sound - he was playing a Precision - I was reminded why I wanted one back then - I was then reminded I saw him live in about 1979 playing a Wal and how much better it sounded in all respects….slightly different genre (Kokomo - soul/funk - 1974 was more rock/r and b)….
I guess we’ve all got different takes on this.
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3 hours ago, Doddy said:
I don't think Precision basses have any issue with definition. Players like Pops Popwell, Ready Freddie, and more recently Michael League and Kevin Scott all play fusion influenced music on a Precision, and they all sound great.
The view of whether they sound great or not is a matter of opinion I guess - having seen Pops Popwell several times with the Crusaders, he’s one of the guys of that era who played the bass very hard - and got a good sound accordingly, I was actually a big fan of his playing - there are others (Precision players) and definitely a lot around in the 70s (especially black R and B players such as Louis Johnson etc) however as I said, I have to work (play) too hard to achieve that on a Precision - I also have a slight dislike for the tone with the tone control fully open - I much prefer Louis Js Stingray or Alembic eras; same with other bands (Kool and the Gang; Rose Royce) - more defined/refined sound - I guess it’s down to personal taste.
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Do any of you guys who swear by the P bass play anything with a hint of fusion? I can see how they would suffice, even excel in some genres, however even with soul music I like something with a bit more definition in the sound (without me having to play excessively hard to get it) - that can be achieved by muting technique and a bass with a more defined sound.
I guess I’m talking B Edwards late 70s sound v a mid sixties Motown (Babbitt orJamerson) or Duck Dunn sound.
Even though it’s not Bernard Edwards playing, Sister Sledge’s version of My Guy (circa early 80s) v the original (which is also upright in fact) demonstrates the point v clearly.
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I tend to agree with you - certainly with cars the prototypes rarely make it into the wild.
However I know it applies to Stingray 5s as there appear to be more than one pre-production/prototype around - one of the members on here has one - marginally different from the production one and called a V rather than 5 on the headstock 👍
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I presume you have to be on facebok to see and reply to these, I don't do fb but as mentioned a few pages ago might be worth starting one just for that purpose !
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Is it still in your basket - I discarded mine again last night but may revisit!!
Amen to that - and more excuses NOT to use flatwound strings 😬😂 that said I still get tempted by the occasional Fender offerings - the Miami blue American Pro basses are stunning - but are unfortunately missing the chrome fenders and grilles which are, in my book, absolutely obligatory…. I guess you could purchase and add them. I used to have a Jazz bridge cover kicking round which was in use in my youth as an…….ash tray - seriously 😏
Back to the DarkRay, one of those distortions sounds very Tim Commerford - very impressive and the clean is really impressive also.