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[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360444375' post='1970671'] Meanwhile, whoever you like as a bassplayer was influenced by Paul. How ironic. [/quote] I am sure that most of the bassplayers that I listen to have been influenced (mostly indirectly) by Willie Dixon, Bill Black, whoever played bass on Chuck Berry records and James Jamerson – Macca would be a fair way down the list (but still on it)! [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1360451772' post='1970798'] Not really, because there's no actual scale against which to measure these qualitative statements. [/quote] I am not aware of any peer reviewed scientific process that can deduce that are Beatles are over-rated by a factor of 64.3%! However, I think it is valid to question whether ‘Yesterday’ is the greatest rock & roll ballad ever written (as I have heard people state in the past), or merely a run of the mill tin pan alley tune elevated to greatness by some people, merely because it was written by the Beatles! That is not to say that everything that Fab 4 did was rubbish, or that ‘Eleanor Rigby’ and ‘A Day In The Life’ are not great creative examples of 60s pop music, just that their artistic importance has been exaggerated due to their wider cultural significance….

Very cool...! I'm also amazed at how quickly he manages to detune....

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1360443589' post='1970653'] How can anyone sensibly claim that anyone or anything as globally popular as The Beatles are over-rated? Over-rated against what? Their own personal dislike? To claim that something is over-rated because of a personal dislike is clearly nonsense. Dislike The Beatles, Microsoft, Tesco [enter own hobby-horse here] by all means, but don't make yourself look stupid by saying they are over rated. [/quote] That’s complete nonsense! By your logic (i.e. anything that is popular cannot possibly be over-rated) means that any concept of ‘over-rated’ is by definition redundant! You cannot sensibly argue that the Beatles were not of huge global significance, but you can argue that their artistic merits were exaggerated to be much greater than they were popularly perceived!

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360438738' post='1970566'] Well you say they were more of a cultural phenomenom, which is true, but 20 years olds today have no connection to that yet they're still influenced by the Beatles. You say if it wasn't them, it would have been someone else, well...there were plenty of groups cashing in on the novelty of being British -- where are they today? [/quote] They were not just a cultural phenomenon, they were [b]the[/b] biggest cultural phenomenon ever in popular entertainment and their influence is still being felt today. I would argue that a similar thing is there with Led Zep, who are still influencing many bands today. I can't deny the influence that the Beatles had, just that much of their actual music wasn't actually that great if you strip away their cultural significance....

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1360438649' post='1970564'] And I guess they just [i]'happened'[/i] to write all those great songs. What about The Dave Clarke 5, The Kinks, The Searchers, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Freddy and the Dreamers, Manfred Mann etc? They were all around at the same time.They never quite reached the same dizzy heights as The Beatles... don't suppose it had something to do with the quality of their songs(?) My guess is that those that claim that The Fabs were over-rated and not that influential were firmly in The Stones camp. You had to like one or the other... apparently, it was illegal to like both. [/quote] I'm a little too young to remember first hand but the Fab 4 were the ones to emerge from that pack and take the prize! Not a big Stones fan either, but I guess that if I was of that age I would have sided with Keef & co! I would never deny the Beatles influence, just that much of their actual music was not as good as many made it out to be....

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1360438320' post='1970557'] It is an oddity that people cannot detach disliking something from how it has influenced many others and appreciate that fact. Throwing in terms like 'crap','overrated etc misses the point that this band were massively influential and more so than any other band. I'm not a big Beatles fan, but the artists I listen to are on record as being big fans. [/quote] I personally think that you can argue that the Beatles were musically overated, indeed I would do so quite strongly! However, you can never underestimate their cultural and social significance....

[quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360437055' post='1970523'] I think history has proved that statement incorrect. But, whatever [/quote] Indulge me, how exactly has that statement been proven incorrect?? It is an interesting debate because the Beatles were such an important cultural phenomenon....

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1360422170' post='1970120'] The most over-rated band in history Very influential etc but I have never actually listened to 90% of their stuff. Not hostile, just never went there. [/quote] I completely agree! Some of their stuff was great but much of it was anything but. However even the cr*p has somehow been elevated to greatness because…. well, it was by the Beatles! The Beatles were more a cultural phenomenon rather than a musical one – they were in the right place at the right time and happened to come to symbolise the 60s and the emerging pop / counter cultures, the massive post war economic growth, the teenage years of the baby boomers, etc. If it wasn’t them it would have been someone else and their case was helped by them happening to have a world class personality in John Lennon, who somehow personified a period of great social change and growth….

[quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1360389361' post='1969700'] Can't help but think the talent is wasted on this song. Something like Chaka Khan's Aint Nobody would offer a little more challenge. [/quote] Perhaps they will do that next time if you ask nicely?? Just a nice little jam, having fun....

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1360365718' post='1969585'] I can't believe i have just spent the last hour and a half reading this thread. There's 90 minutes i have nothing to show for. Any song off the album "The will to death" by John Frusciante does it for me. [/quote] C'mon, it was quite fascinating in a train wreck kinda way and had a cool picture of a man made out of a meatball....

If you like Stingrays, they are rather good value second hand these days!

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1360357327' post='1969423'] Nice post, thanks. I think you have painted yourself into the 'literal' camp, maybe you didn't explain it in a way we would understand. But that's clear now. The bass line in the clip, most of the main part of the line falls on the 'and's, between the kick and snare hits, no? [/quote] I think that I probably did, but in my defence I was rather pushed into it...! From a first listening of the clip you seem to be playing with the bass drum - of course what you play in between the kick drum is another thing (as long as it works)! Will have to give it another listen....

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1360353385' post='1969294'] I'm delighted for you Pete. However, there is more to music than blues and backbeats. You can orchestrate bass in millions of ways, as the song requires, even ones with backbeats. I love writing lines with loads of space, or sustained notes I can play with using effects and volume swells and bends and stuff. I see bass as architectural. If the drummer's kicking a good backbeat, you can syncopate and make space glow. You can create new rhythms with interplay with the drummer, or accentuate part of the beat with accents. Good taste and understanding the emotional intent of the words and voice, and feeling the song is the key to getting this right I think. I have to play good ol pumping electro dance bass lines with one band, lines written by someone else. They are fairly straight but I f*** about with them onstage, I leave spaces and play off beat or in triplets, throw in little bits of bass architecture, all what I feel would make me go 'f***in hell!' and want to dance. The drums keep the beat well enough and me and the drummer bugger about a bit together and follow each other outside the straight recorded versions. None of it is intended as nonsense, it creates energy and the crowd feed off that I believe. We certainly go down very well and people dance. This is a decent example of a line that's nowhere near the backbeat with the band I mentioned above [url="https://soundcloud.com/silddx/london-zulu-may-2012-umlhalho"]https://soundcloud.c...y-2012-umlhalho[/url] [/quote] A number of points here:[list=1] [*]First of all, I don’t just play blues by any means – that’s quite a recent thing! In my time I have played many types of music (still do). Admittedly, we are generally talking about rock of one sort or another and usually based on backbeats (or shuffles, of course, for some of the blues stuff). A backbeat / shuffle tend to be the basis of most types of music that most people here listen to (but of course not all), be it rock, funk, blues or soul, etc. [*]Of course if you are not playing a backbeat a lot of what I am saying does not apply! I totally agree that you can do all things that you mention, even when playing a backbeat. You seem to be taking me very literally, not helped by that in the previous debate on this matter I seemed to be forced into a rather absolute position by people who didn’t seem to want to understand what I was trying to say! Of course you don’t have to play a note [b]every[/b] time the drummer kicks the bass drum and you can play melodically when the opportunity arises. However, I would suggest that your fallback position should be to lock into the bass drum pattern unless you have a reason not to, when playing anything with a backbeat. [*]The ‘nonsense’ that I refer to is the bag of tricks that we all have, which we reach into every now & again to hopefully provide a ‘wow’ moment to impress people (fast runs, slapping, whatever). That is all fine, but shouldn’t detract from creating a solid rhythm section. [*]I’m confused by the (pretty cool) clip that you linked to. Granted, it is not exactly a typical AC/DC type backbeat, but you appear to be locking in with the bass drum with a touch of syncopation in the middle section in what is basically a groove based around a backbeat. Sounds really solid and works really well for the track, but I can’t see how it is an ‘example of a line that's nowhere near the backbeat’ (assuming that I have got the correct link)?? [/list]

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1360349241' post='1969192'] [/quote] Ace! edit: apologies but stolen and put on facebook as part of an ongoing food conversation already!

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1360337023' post='1968925'] I remember a grown up musician on here (can't remember who) saying pretty much every note on the kick drum should be covered by a bass note. I honestly couldn't comprehend why anyone would believe that. Bizarre [/quote] Yep, that will be me and I would strongly suggest that should be the general starting point for any music that is based on a backbeat. Of course, like all rules it can be disregarded at will but IMO that should be the fallback position. For me, the drums and bass should work together as a unit and provide a foundation for the vocals and chordal / lead instruments. One of the nicest compliments I ever received wasn’t someone telling me how impressive my individual bass playing was. It came from a very talented guitarist & vocalist who is reasonably well known and who does sessions in London (Jake Newman has mentioned on here working with him) as well as his own stuff and a few bands (i.e. a very good musician who knows his stuff). He sat in for a couple of tunes on a blues gig I was playing. After the gig, we were chatting and exchanging pleasantries and I mentioned that it was the drummer’s first gig with the band. He seemed genuinely surprised, so I told him that we had played together in a couple of other bands for ten years. His response was that he could tell and that we worked together well and were a really good rhythm section. That meant a lot more to me as a bass player than someone being impressed by the odd bits of nonsense you sometimes throw in!!

[quote name='Earbrass' timestamp='1360277088' post='1968135'] When I first went to secondary school, aged about eleven, there was a boy who clearly had some er, "issues". He would to get very very upset and fly into rages, or tearful tantrums, for reasons that weren't at all obvious to the rest of us. He would often be followed around by groups of pupils just to see what he would do next. This made his behaviour worse, until eventually his parents had to remove him from the school. I am not proud to say that I was one of those who sometimes followed him round to gawp and laugh at his antics. What I've seen on basschat in the last few days with the "inti" issue has reminded me of those times. This can be a wonderful and supportive place, but I don't think this has been its finest hour. [/quote] [quote name='redstriper' timestamp='1360278029' post='1968145'] Agreed, I've been ganged up on by the BC massive before and it's very unpleasant - I notice a few of the same names are involved here. Some people just like to put the boot in and they feel stronger with their gang in support. Very easy on line, but I wonder how tough these people are face to face, one on one. It's all a bit 'Lord Of The Flies' and quite unnecessary. [/quote] Please chaps, lets not get over sensitive about this! What happened was that he posted a video of himself and everybody was very polite about his playing but a few said that it wasn't their cup of Darjeeling. He responded to this furiously, revealing himself to be both arrogant and to have a vastly inflated opinion of his (admittedly quite good) abilities. Worse of all, he showed that has no sense of humour or understanding of the concept of irony, which is obviously going to expose him to ridicule on a forum dominated by British musicians! If you are going to act like a d1ck then you can expect to be treated like one....

I think that the heritage arguement is nonsense for a 77 P bass, but I have to say that when I modded a similar 77 precision that I probably lost about £500 plus when I did eventually moved it on....

[color=#222222]Slightly off topic but another thing to be careful of when buying from ebay is to be sure that the bass comes from where it says it claims it does on the listing.[/color] [color=#222222][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#222222]A few years ago I bought a MM Sterling, supposedly from the UK, but when it was delivered (in a massively oversized carton that you would not assume contained a bass guitar) it had a 'value less than $50' sticker and had obviously been shipped over from the US![/color] [color=#222222][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#222222]Could have cost me quite a bit more than I had counted on if it had been picked up by US customs...[/color]

[quote name='spud19870' timestamp='1359758503' post='1960128'] Thanks for the advice guys. I have been out today trying various bits of kit and I have picked up an Apmeg SVT 410 HLF. It sounded amazing with my Ashdown head and Ibanez bass. Also I will put my old cabs up for sale on here soon!!! [/quote] Good choice - a industry standard, quality workhorse cab! I'm sure that you will notice a marked improvement..... Give it a couple of months and you will want to upgrade your amp!

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1359755846' post='1960057'] You better like 12's more than 10's then..... There is a world of difference in my decent 12's and decent 10's..and anyone who says they do the same job sound wise, has cloth ears IMV. Fair enough if you prefer 12's or 15's or whatever but they don't sound the same.... IMO. [/quote] Absolutely....! If you want a 410, get a 410! If your budget stretches to a Barefaced, I would look for a s/h Bergantino. Failing that then maybe a s/h Aguilar or even an Ampeg or an old SWR...

Has anyone tried a G30 with an active bass??

[quote name='DiMarco' timestamp='1359056069' post='1949231'] Doug Pinnick is 62 and still one of the coolest bassists on the planet imho. Don't worry lads age is not the issue. Behaviour is so get out there and behave like a little kid with a really big toy (talking about your bass here). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9YouDpaHU [/quote] The point is that dUG has always been cool, so why should be stop now he's 62?? Most of the people posting on here are from the rock & roll generation(s) i.e. late 40s, 50s & 60s - growing up is kinda optional...! Maybe lose a little weight and don't dress or act like an old man (but don't dress like a kid either) but generally just be yourself....

Probably an old SVT2 (before they branded them "pro"). I played thru a SVT classic, which was great and I love my Mesa mpulse, which is as good as anything I've used! Best cab I've ever heard is a Bergantino NV610....

If anyone is going to the Skegness Rock & Blues bash this weekend, I will be playing with Rhythm Zoo. We're the last band on Saturday night after the headliners have finished. I'm believe that we're playing on the stage in Jak's Bar, starting just after midnight. As I understand it will be the only place you can get a drink at that time, so we're the last band of the night! It's the first gig with our new guitar player (who is excellent), so really looking forward to it. Come and say hi after the set if you're around...... Cheers - Pete

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1358849478' post='1945869'] And all I'm saying is that a neck pocket gap is only "poor quality" [b]if[/b] the bass has bad sustain. If the bass sustains well then the fit of the neck pocket is not an issue. Chipped paintwork is an entirely different problem and is not what we're discussing. [/quote] If I was looking to buy a bass, chipped paintwork would not bother me at all! Obviously, if it was new I might ask for a small discount off the asking price. However, I would walk away if it had a badly fitted neck pocket. That might hint at some potentially serious issues and these days there are so many other top quality basses available (unlike in the 70s).....