peteb

That’s a little unfair. One thing that PROS (capitalisation or not) particularly like to do is to get well paid for doing gigs. It is generally accepted that one of the tried & tested ways of doing this is to play a mixture of well known covers of indie, classic rock, Motown and other sixties tunes along with the odd 40 year old punk classic to wedding parties. To the OP – you’ve done your first dep and got through it with only the odd mishap. You will know more and be better prepared next time. For a start, you will know to ask for a setlist with all the keys that they play the songs in (these can vary unexpectedly from band to band). You seem to have the right attitude (if possibly a little on the overly modest side) and I’m sure you will find a suitable band / more dep gigs in due course.

Best to check with them, but usually 20% of the selling price.

That's true, but they will advise what they think they is a realistic price. They have just sold my bass for more than I would have got for it in less than a week...

I part ex'd a bass at BD last week and it seems to have sold already

I had a similar issue when I had a Mesa Subway amp - a non-slip rubber grip map worked a treat...

It can be a challenge, but you do get used to it and it becomes easier. Of course playing standards can be an issue as everyone's idea of what is a standard is different. This is probably why blues jam sessions are such a thing - there are only a limited number of formats / chord progressions available and it becomes a matter of interpreting what the leader is playing.

I've just paid £590 for the amp plus £30 delivery plus the cost of the bank charges - about £650 in total. That was three weeks or so ago. Pretty good value for a hand made hybrid amp. Of course prices may have changed again with what the pound is doing.

Actually, I've just bought one...! I've just done the one gig with it so far. It's a great sounding amp, but I just need to get to grips with the eq!

I use an active jazz - so no good for me then??

When I used to be in the house band for blues jams, we always provided backline, drums, etc and I provided a house bass (under close supervision if we didn't know them or they didn't seem too experienced). Whenever there were any issues, it was players who were unfamiliar with the preamp in an active bass (especially one that had an East circuit). I usually brought a Stingray (relatively hard to abuse) and then a passive jazz. These days I have a cheaper passive jap Fender Jazz for jam sessions or where there may be issues with transporting it to the gig.

Drunk or not, my sentiments exactly. I should add that I used to be the bass player in the house band for a few blues jams in the past and that is the attitude I always used to have. Would happily do it again if someone was set one up locally on a week night!

All of the above really, with the main one being networking. Not that I'm likely to be popping along to any jazz jams any time soon, but I have been offered gigs on the back of going to blues jams in the past.

I will just leave this here

We had just got off the transfer bus at a hotel in a small resort in Crete about midnight. Fortunately, the poolside bar was still open, so we chucked our luggage in the room and rushed down for a beer. Beer in hand, we got chatting to a welsh couple there who were maybe a bit older than us. The guy seemed to know a fair bit about music and I mentioned that I played in bands and had travelled around a bit. He mentioned that his brother was a musician and when they got back to Wales that they would be flying out to Bilbao a few days later to see his brother play. I said that sounded cool and perhaps he knew some people I knew who played the blues / rock clubs in Europe? He said have you heard of Ian Hunter? Of course, I had (being a bit of a fan) so I asked if his brother played in Hunter’s band. It turns out that he was actually Ian Hunter’s brother and showed me pictures on his iPad that Hunter had emailed him from the night before in New York with Johnny Dep sitting in with them.

It's an escape for them from their not particularly stimulating day jobs.

You have to consider what the demand is any market - basic economics apply when you are promoting bands just they do for any other product. There's a reason why high street pubs put on covers bands rather than originals.

I've always tried to avoid gigs like that with bands where I've been a principal. The only time I've really done them is where I've been a dep or a sideman in someone else's band.

There can always be family or work pressures that can force people to take time out from gigging. The other reasons you mention, maybe less so. If you are a musician then there is no reason why you should be tied to one band and if you are any good, then other opportunities will present themselves if you are open to them.

Me and a keys player I'm in a couple of bands with were driving back to Yorkshire from a recording session in the Midlands yesterday and we were talking about this. Now my mate has a bit of a decent CV and has played with a number of US singers when they come over to the UK / Europe - guys who are well known and respected and who have had a taste of the big time, even if they never really became big stars. He was saying how few of them are full time or rely on music as their only source of income. They nearly all have other jobs or business interests to help pay the bills, even though they still record and tour for part of the year. The music industry has changed a lot over the years and it's very difficult to sustain a full time career unless you're playing in orchestra pits (or similar) or you're prepared to live a pretty meagre lifestyle. A lot of top.players out there who you would think of very much being 'pro', are actually in a pretty similar position to you...

There is nothing forcing people to gig if they don’t want to. There is a shortage of venues promoting live music these days and if you don’t want to do the gigs then there are plenty of guys out there who would be happy to take your place. Obviously, I would love to exclusively play theatres and open air events, but I’m quite happy to play half decent pubs. Apparently Leland Sklar happily plays local bars with his buddies when he gets off tour and if it’s good enough for him, then it’s certainly good enough for me! I can be reasonably sociable (most of the time) and generally most punters are fine when they talk to you. I suppose you can get the odd ignorant one, but I’ve never been shy of telling them to f*** off if required. Fortunately, that is very rarely necessary. To me, playing live is the essence of being a muso. I love performing to a crowd, the camaraderie of being in a band, travelling to new places, meeting and playing with new people – the whole package. As you get older maybe it can take it's toll the next day. But it’s a small price to pay for doing something that many people would love to be able to do but will never have the opportunity. As someone said above, it beats playing golf. But if it’s not for you then don’t do it…

Of course you do run the risk of killing the song by over arranging it (I've been in bands that have been guilty of doing that). Sometimes a light(ish) touch with arrangements is what you need to make the song work.

I've got the Shure digital system. Not cheap, but actually works / doesn't noticeably affect the sound. I've been through loads of them and this is the only one I have ever been remotely happy with...

I always think that dedicating a hour or so to work on BVs is a good idea.

What I hate (and I have been in a few bands that do this) are rehearsals where everyone learns their parts, you go through a song and if you all start and finish at the same time you go onto the next song / run through the set. As far as I am concerned that is a waste of time and you might as well not bother rehearsing and just do the gig. I would take it as read that everyone is gonna turn up knowing their basic parts. But what I want to do is pull the first performance of a new song apart and work on anything that could be better, transitions between parts of songs, etc. The devil is always in the detail. Maybe I have learnt a part but the drummer or keys player has heard it slightly differently. A rehearsal is to sort out issues like that rather than just banging through songs and thinking if it’s sort of OK then that’s good enough. Once you have got to the point where it is gig tight then I don’t really see the point of additional rehearsals for the sake of it (unless you haven’t played a gig for quite a while).

Not exactly an EQ junkie, but it is a bit of a concern @Kirky Cheers, that would definitely be very helpful (I'm in North Bradford). Thanks a lot...