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[quote name='goingdownslow' timestamp='1501316475' post='3343945'] A drummer I know does it, he gets £100 a night. [/quote] I was guessing that he was looking to pay about £100 a musician a night, so it looks like a decent wage but he is desperate for three pieces to keep the price down. A lot of work for £100, but at least he is being upfront with what he wants...

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1501022201' post='3341932'] I still battle with the word pro. My story is actually very untraditional. Pro usually means your doing more than bar gigs. I had already worked for 35 years. My major bills suddenly disappeared. Both son's done with college out of the house and working. Home was paid for,I don't carry any loans. My expenses were so low I decided to primarily live off of gig money.And I have assets. So I'm not like a 20 something that managed to go pro. I would never define myself as a pro, others can if they like, I won't. Aren't there other seniors here that are in the same boat as me? Blue [/quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] Not quite a senior, but it is conceivable that I could be in a similar(ish) situation in a few years time...! [/font][/color]

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1501016755' post='3341880'] Who was the drummer in Brand X and Rainbow ? Dave [/quote] That would be Chuck Burgi (he also played on the original Bon Jovi sessions)

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1500926325' post='3341154'] Musically trained bassists play runs that in my opinion self taught bassists rarely do. [/quote] But you could argue that is another way of saying that a self taught player will player will play runs that a conventionally trained musician would rarely do. Or, to put it another way, which guitar player would you rather listen to: Mike Stern or Paul Kossoff??

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1500889551' post='3340788'] Yeah, OK . He says, laughing hysterically . [/quote] To clarify, I would expect anyone who has managed to get through music school to be able to play fluently. Equally, I would expect that someone who is entirely self-taught and has been playing seriously at any sort of level for the same period of time it takes to graduate from music school to be just as fluent. I am sure that a formal musical education gives a student many tools that it may be difficult for a self-taught player to obtain. However, I don’t think that playing fluently is one of them as I would expect any half decent player to be able to do that anyway.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1500846857' post='3340632'] For every Pino and Billy there are thousands of others who never really achieve much. What Pino et al have is talent. Much like people who go to college and study music, the audition for some of these is a nightmare. [/quote] Of course, Pino, Billy are exceptional. However, there are many great musicians without a formal music education who have the talent to cut it in the real world just as there are many who manage to get into music college who struggle.

[quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1500830187' post='3340452'] Definitely agree that when you hear a properly trained bassist he normally sounds more fluent and effortless. His technique and the various runs he uses are far more interesting than the average non trained bassist and i personally find it more entertaining. I would have to say that usually they are bassists at the top of their game. Not sure what the average properly trained bassist sounds like It is interesting the different take on properly trained V non-trained on playing styles and ability. Dave [/quote] I'm afraid that I don't agree with that at all. You won't hear anyone more fluent and and who makes playing look effortless than Pino Palladino and he had no 'conventional' training. Same with Billy Sheehan, Jeff Beck and countless others. There are many benefits to musical training, but I would say that the one thing that it doesn't provide is fluency!

[quote name='Bobthedog' timestamp='1500740677' post='3339915'] How do you define musicality? Tone, note length, timing, attack / decay? A blend of all these things? Emotion / feel are they such a thing in shaping what come out to the listeners' ears? Are amps and cabs part of this (I switch between the Glock / BF BT II and my Markbass combo). I do know I play with a very light touch and need to butch up a bit on that, but what else can make a difference? [/quote] [font=Arial, sans-serif][size=2]Everything you are talking about there you mainly develop through experience, mainly that of playing with other musicians. You have decent gear, which should help to make you sound better but the musicality and feel are developed over time playing in the 'real world'.[/size][/font] [quote name='Cato' timestamp='1500743299' post='3339935'] Can I be the first to say 'It's all in the fingers'? [/quote] You can but you would be wrong - it's mainly in the mind

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1500725651' post='3339813'] On the other hand, fun is what we all definitely had after the gig. Party time? Oh yessss! [/quote] Not sure what gigs you're doing these days Chris?? Last night after a (moderately successful) gig I exchanged pleasantries with a few punters, got paid, loaded up the car and then had a 45 minute drive home. Not at all unpleasant, but hardly party central...!

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1500502798' post='3338370'] Yep. You're working not socialising. [/quote] Yea, but you're not going to the office or clocking on at a factory! My general rule is if there is a public bar or a backstage area / guest list then it's fine to bring a partner, but not if it is a corporate, function or wedding gig, etc. [quote name='blue' timestamp='1500503463' post='3338376'] I could see taking a girlfriend to a high end big stage, big lights and sound where your doing an hour show. But not a 4 hour US Midwest bar gig. Blue [/quote] I don't why she would want to sit thru a 4 hour bar gig on her own, unless of course it's the only chance she gets to see you! I suppose that it would depend on whether any of the other WAGs were going...

Thanks for that Dan - very helpful I've got the chance of buying a 4B secondhand. Been weighing up if I would use it enough to justify buying but think that I might go for it. I wouldn't use itfor my normal rock gigs, but there has been the odd gig where I could have done with a smaller quieter cab.

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1500445676' post='3337737'] My main band describes its style as 'Funky Psychedelic Blues Rock'. Where's the option for that in the poll?? [/quote] Classic Rock [quote name='Rich' timestamp='1500465939' post='3337981'] My main band is what I would call a 'party' band. However we do very little Top 40 music and we don't do weddings, but have done a smattering of corporates in the past. There's a difference. [/quote] Maybe, but not as much difference as all the different types of bands that get categorised as classic rock!

Classic Rock is a bit of catch all. It could include blues (or at least blues rock) or it could mean Dire Straits or the Eagles all the way to Judas Priest...!

I am thinking of looking for a secondhand PJB cab for rehearsals and lower volume gigs. Does anyone here use them and what do they think of them? Also, can anyone tell me what the difference is between the various models, the C4, C4lite & 4B cabs, etc? I would be using it with a Mark Bass LM3 amp, playing various types of rock and blues rock. I normally use a Berg 410 cab (with ceramic speakers) and whilst I am not expecting to get exactly the same sort of sound, I wonder what the 5” speakers sound like in comparison. I did see someone using one in a small bar whilst on holiday last year and it seemed to work pretty well for that type of gig, but I would like to know what guys who use them regularly make of them??

I had the 810 version. Well put together, very efficient and great value for money. My only question would be, are you sure you want such a big cab for that type of work?

[quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1500132484' post='3335833'] If, say you make 95% of your income from a self employed business and 5% from music, surely you can't just not include the music income and claim it's only a hobby. [/quote] Why not? Surely a hobby is a still a hobby regardless of whether your main source of income is a result of being self-employed or working for someone else.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1499988802' post='3335044'] I'm sitting here looking at my gig schedule and I'm figuring out which bills will be paid and when. Seriously, am I the only bass chatter that us in this for the money. And why does it seem like not being in it for the money is some sort of badge of honor? Blue [/quote] I think that some see playing for good money as a badge of honour, just as others pride themselves on being in it for artistic motives without being tainted by filthy lucre. Personally, money isn't the primary motive but I will as a matter of pride insist on being paid the going rate when playing gigs where others are making money. Of course, what actually is the going rate is another topic!

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1499889335' post='3334384'] Flawless Blue [/quote] I very much doubt that no one in Framper’s band made a single mistake throughout the whole night, just that at that level the mistakes that they do make are harder to detect and that they recover from them with more composure than the average weekend warrior! If you have read Guy Pratt’s book you might have noted that when he was on the road with Pink Floyd, he and the keys player would stay up all night listening to tapes of the show earlier that evening picking out mistakes and trying to improve the performance for the next gig. This is of course when they weren’t chasing models, crashing hire cars, taking drugs with celebrities or amusing themselves at the expense of local dignitaries! What this suggests to me is that even players of that calibre do still make mistakes (even if no one else really notices) and that they constantly work to improve their performance.

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1499100498' post='3329169'] Over the weekend I was discussing solos on hit records with my band-mates! Worryingly, the most recent solo that we could think of was Yes' "Owner of a Lonely Heart" 1983. In our defence, we are a bunch of old geezers and our collective memories are clearly failing us - there obviously has to be a solo on a more recent hit - any advance on 1983? While we're here, I'm curious to know any BCers favourite solo on a hit record of all time. For the purposes of this discussion, I would say a solo should be 4 or more bars long and give the [i]impression[/i] of being improvised, à la Free's All Right Now. If posters could add a little info, or a link, that would be great! To get the ball rolling - I've always had a soft spot for the wonderful sax solo at the end of Lou Reed's 1972 record "Walk on the Wild Side". [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG6fayQBm9w[/media] [/quote] Most of the above posts kinda prove your point - I think of many hit singles that have an iconic solo (from Sweet Child O'Mine to Jump to No More Lonely Nights), but not that many since the turn of the century...! Even the big guitar bands like Muse or Foo Fighters don't really have a lot of improvised solos on their bigger hits. I am sure that there are others, but the best that I can come up with at the moment is Dani California by RHCP from 2006...

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1498939710' post='3328175'] This is a tough one, now I'm thinking I should use pre eq option because I'm changing changing volumes from song to song. Blue [/quote] Really? If you are going to do that then ideally you need a volume pedal on your board. Good luck with the gig...

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1498604913' post='3325891'] Speaking of festivals ,Summerfest opening day is tomorrow. World's Largest Music Fest. I have to research most of the artists on the side stages, I haven't any idea who 99% of them are. A daily pass onto the fest grounds on beautiful Lake Michigan is $17.00. I'm a senior citizen,so $7.00 for me. I knew being older would pay off sooner or later. There is some young guy, a blues guy from France I want to see.I think his name is Marcus King. I'd like to godown the night Joss Stone plays a side stage. And I hope to stay for Peter's set. [url="https://summerfest.com/2017-lineup/"]https://summerfest.com/2017-lineup/[/url] We play Sunday July 2nd 6:30. Maple Road 9:30. Peter Frampton Blue [/quote] Hey Daryl Have a good gig & a great time... Pete

Reading 1980 Rory Gallagher, UFO & Whitesnake headlined (all were great) but Slade, who were only added at the bill at the last minute to replace a newly solo Ozzy Osbourne, pretty much stole the weekend

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1498253676' post='3323508'] They mention the decline in electric guitar sales. Look at Gibson, only 30% of their sales are from electric guitars the remainder is from electronics. Blue [/quote] The thing with Gibson is that they have relied so much on their name for so long and the quality of their new stuff is so poor for what they charge, that anyone with that sort of money will buy from the many other guitar builders that offer better pieces at much better value. There is still interest in electric guitar based music and there are still plenty of kids who want to play, BUT... young people have so many other other alternatives for entertainment (both musical or otherwise) that it is never going to regain the importance that it had in he latter past of the last century...

Initial thing that I picked up is that RS says that boosting mids will make your sound muddy and not stand out in the mix. He also said that he couldn't see why anyone would want to cut bass or treble frequencies. Hardly the accepted view of many people who frequent Basschat...

[quote name='Micky b' timestamp='1496946422' post='3314934'] Thanks for all the input guys! And Lozz your pearls of wisdom where much appreciated. I final decided on a second hand 2015 am standard, purchased from a nice chap in Milton Keynes - through Reverb. Had a rehearsal this week with the full band. And it sounded awesome! V happy boy! Thanks again Mick. [/quote] Good choice...! Out of interest, how much did you get it for (asking for a friend)??