BigBeefChief

[quote name='Stan_da_man' post='242011' date='Jul 17 2008, 06:33 PM']They're not different though...they're exactly the same. Except one's made in America and the other Mexico. A given price point is not necessarily a guarantee of quality, y'know.[/quote] This is not true. Do you think there is no difference apart from country of origin? I'm not talking about build quality, I'm talking about actual, tangible differences. They are different instruments.

[quote name='noisedude' post='242008' date='Jul 17 2008, 06:28 PM']So you stand by the comment, "I would play any brand (apart from Warwick) if I liked the bass," by saying that it's nothing to do with the brand?! That's not 'standing by', there, chief. That's contradicting yourself. What you say is that if you like the bass, you STILL won't play it BECAUSE it's a Warwick. Are you standing by that or not? Because if you are, then you have to NOT stand by the claim that it's nothing to do with the brand. And if you think you've been polite then we have pretty much identified the problem, and it's nothing to do with guitars. You ain't won nothing, chief, I barely disagree with your opinion and still the way you contradict yourself makes it impossible for me to come down on your side!![/quote] Come on noisedude! You know I'm the man! My (exaggerated) hatred of Warwicks is well documented. If they release a passive bass in a decent styling (with a J neck), I could be converted. But as it stands today, Warwick don't produce a bass I like. I don't hate the badge, I hate what its stuck on. D'ya get me? Also, in reference to my manners, someone said something retarded. Not just retarded in my opion. Retarded full stop. I'm the type of person who doesn't ignore these things. I'm sure XB26354 is a big boy. I'm sure he's a very nice chap. If I meet him I'll buy him a waffle. Can you "come down on my side now"? The bed's to big without you.

[quote name='noisedude' post='241993' date='Jul 17 2008, 06:09 PM']Yes but if you apply that system of taking a general, provocative debate point and allowing no leeway then you are in the sticky stuff yourself: Which is it? There are some out there that are as good? Or you have to spend £250 more so as to not have a lesser instrument? Still I guess it's ok because: Ulp, except then you said: And then, Yeah, can't spot any major problems there ... I mean, it would be retarded to say people buy American instruments out of snobbishness but not at all retarded to not play a bass THAT YOU ACTUALLY LIKE simply because of the name on the headstock. Clearly you have developed an excellent rule for everyone else that doesn't apply to yourself!! I think the issue at this point is probably that you've said[i] at least [/i]as many silly things as him and are the only one who has felt the need to punctuate your views with personal comments such as calling him "full of sh*t" and "retarded".[/quote] Thats more like it! I don't play Warwicks, becuase I don't like the stylying. The body shapes tend to make the necks feel too long for my liking. I also don't like the sound of active basses and wood finishes. This means that I've never liked a Warwick. Nothing to do with the brand. They have a distinctive style across the range and its not a style I like. When I say "paying £250 for a lesser instrument" - this is true. Out of all the MIM's I've played, I couldn't find one I liked as much as my MIA. I even admit such an instrument may exist, I just couldn't find one that wasn't a "lesser instrument". Nothing snobbish about that. As for being rude, I think I've been quite polite??! I can also stand by every comment I've made. I'm not going to use that quote again, but can he?? Whoah yeah!!! Game, Set, Match - The Big Beef Chief. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I5-Xs2fM0g"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I5-Xs2fM0g[/url]

[quote name='simon1964' post='241985' date='Jul 17 2008, 05:53 PM']I trust it was MIA?![/quote] Racist.

[quote name='simon1964' post='241970' date='Jul 17 2008, 05:45 PM']I've no strong views on any of this - I've owned MIA, MIJ, MIM and Squier (and even Warwick!). I bought each because I liked them, rather than where they were made. But I do want to thank BBC and XB26354 for keeping me entertained on an otherwise boring Thursday afternoon! [/quote] The truth is, I don't have a strong view on this either. Thats kinda my point. I'd play anything if I liked it. But I don't like being called a snob because I happened to like a bass made in the USA!

[quote name='XB26354' post='241966' date='Jul 17 2008, 05:43 PM']Oh for god's sake - now you're mixing metaphors and accusing me of being a closet racist? Anything else you'd care to share?[/quote] Closet racist? What the f***???? *you don't wash your hands after weeing.

[quote name='XB26354' post='241959' date='Jul 17 2008, 05:36 PM']Well I disagree with your extremely offensive personal comments made about someone you don't know. If you can't argue a point without being rude then keep your opinions to yourself.[/quote] What's personal about calling your comment retarded? Do you stand by that comment? I don't think the issue is me being rude or not, perhaps I've just highlighted that you said a silly thing? Don't worry about it, everyone is allowed to make a mistake.

[quote name='noisedude' post='241952' date='Jul 17 2008, 05:28 PM']That wasn't the view, though. The view he said was snobbish was the one whereby somebody wants the MIA because it is MIA and therefore 'must' be better.[/quote] Noisedude, I'm getting bored of quoting this! "The MIA is for snobs that have to have Made in the USA on the headstock" Go and read the post! It doesn't say "often people by MIA's becuase they have a snobbish attitude towards where basses are built". (I agree) It says, to re-itereate: [b]"The MIA is for snobs that have to have Made in the USA on the headstock"[/b] Get it? One more time? [b]"The MIA is for snobs that have to have Made in the USA on the headstock"[/b] What part of this are you struggling with? If I were to say "I don't like black people because black people commit crime" could I get away with it if I then say "but I didn't say all black people, just some do"? Would you be so understanding to my view? Of course not. I'm going to have a lie down. This is bringing me out in hives. Mother??

[quote name='XB26354' post='241931' date='Jul 17 2008, 05:16 PM']Oh, and you could try being civil on an anonymous Internet forum - just because you disagree with someone's point of view doesn't give you licence to be rude, no matter what your username is...[/quote] I don't disagree with your view that quality varies and that for some, an MIA is not worth the extra cash. I disagree with the retarded statement that you made. As for being rude, as an MIA owner, you infered I was a snob. Snob or retard? Not sure which I'd prefer really.

[quote name='cheddatom' post='241929' date='Jul 17 2008, 05:16 PM']Some people agree with that view because of a snobbish attitude - it does happen else no-one would buy designer clothes. Some people agree with that view because they have played a lot of basses, and come to the same conclusion as you. Some people disagree with that view because they have played a lot of basses, and come to the opposite conclusion as you - I prefer mexican guitars to american (fender) but I don't like their basses at all. You wouldn't be overreacting would you?[/quote] Chedda - you know I only have 2 settings: f***ing stupid or f***ing aggressive. I have no issue with people prefering MIM's. Thats not my point. I agree that some people will by an MIA for the wrong reasons (snobbery?). Thats not my point. I have an issue with the view that the only reason you would buy an MIA is becuase you are a snob (as stated previously). Thats my point. I think.

[quote name='noisedude' post='241898' date='Jul 17 2008, 04:50 PM']Well ... in a wider sense I still think that obsession over the country your equipment was made in borders on the friendly face of xenophobia. But in relation to Fender, there's absolutely no doubt at all that Fender trade off the MIA status of their instruments as frequently as possible. If not, why would the Highway One series exist? And why did they risk lawsuits with (and eventually have to pull) the California Series of basically Mexican instruments [i]just[/i] to have people believe they owned an 'MIA' for cheap? Of course not everyone American Fender owner is a snob. But it is also true that 'MIA' has become a brand that people aspire to out of proportion to quality, in the same way that Gibson can complacently turn out utter tat from its American facility and people will continue to lap it up simply because it's a "real American Gibson". Another qualifier is that there are few American-made instruments that can be bought as cheaply as American Fenders, and you can decide for yourself whether that means they're rubbish or that everyone else is ripping customers off, or neither. [/quote] From this, I can't really tell if you agree with me or not?? As for the "friendly face of xenophobia" thing, I can only comment on why I chose and MIA over a MIM. I couldn't give a sh*t if MIA stood for "Made in Africa" and MIM stood for "Made in Massachusetts". In my experience MIA's tend to be better quality than MIM's. This is what I care about. To suggest that someone who agrees with that view is a snob is pretty f***ing stupid.

[quote name='Machines' post='241893' date='Jul 17 2008, 04:48 PM']My MIM Jazz is ok, needs new pickups though ! Good job I got some - am fitting some Nordstrand NJ4's in it tonight ! (Shameless plug).[/quote] A MIM? Pikey.

For the record - I'm not a big Fender fan. I play one, but would play any brand (apart from Warwick) if I liked the bass.

[quote name='Stan_da_man' post='241791' date='Jul 17 2008, 02:49 PM']Another thing that gets my goat about Fender owners is that they always have to put MI"X" in their sigs has if others are just judging them on the type of Fender they own - MIA must mean it's better sounding than MIM; not necessarily. I have no intention of buyng or owning a Fender and never will.[/quote] Or maybe its because they're slightly different instruments? You see just as many MIM's on sigs as MIA's. I actually think there's very little snobbery between them these days. A lot of people are proud of the fact they get an amazing sound from a MIM. What's next? Only be able to describe basses by colour? Sunburst Red

[quote name='noisedude' post='241855' date='Jul 17 2008, 04:13 PM']Ease up a little there, sunshine. It's not a "retarded attitude" because the debate over whether American Fenders are worth the cost compared to MIMs and Squiers is very real, and lots of people will decide that the extra money is, in fact, not worth it to them. There is, after all, more 'handmade' construction on a Yamaha Pacifica than any American Standard Fender. As for teaching, well, a teacher is just another player. I wouldn't rate his opinion higher because he teaches any more than I would yours because you take pictures of yourself going topless and wearing a beret. If his advice to his students is, as it seems to be, to buy the best they can for their money by "trying a bunch and choosing the best one", then he really couldn't be doing any better by them, could he?[/quote] You're missing the point. I agree - play lots and buy the best you can afford. If you don't think the MIA is worth it, don't buy it. I agree 100%. This is a retarded attitude: [b]"The MIA is for snobs that have to have Made in the USA on the headstock"[/b] Utter sh*t. It's embarrassing. Y'get me? (its not rocket surgery).

[quote name='jcater' post='241841' date='Jul 17 2008, 04:00 PM']Never been to anything like this but maybe time to try. What exactly goes on?[/quote] Don't be nervous. It's the most natural thing in the world. Your wife need never know.

[quote name='XB26354' post='241739' date='Jul 17 2008, 01:39 PM']The MIA is for snobs that have to have Made in the USA on the headstock. I also got one of my students the Squier VMJ - for £250 they're seriosuly good.[/quote] What a load of sh*t. I own a MIA Jazz. It cost me about £650. About £250 more than a MIM. When I A/B'd a Mex and a US, the US won hands down in every catorgory. You won't find a bassist who cares less about tone than me (or can hear the difference), but even my girlfriend who knows nothing (about anything) could pick the US jazz when blindfolded every time. I've never played a Mex Jazz that sounds as good. There may be some out there, but I think you improve your chances of getting a quality instrument in you buy the US. To suggest I bought a US just because of a sticker on the headstock is ridiculous. The US also has the S1 Switching that I really rate. Thankfully, £250 isn't considerable enough to me to warrant settling for a lesser instrument. I'm far from a brand snob. I play a second hand Peavey Firebass head, a non-brand cab and a Carlsbro Combo. I really couldn't give a sh*t what it says on the headstock (as long as its not Warwick). It worries me that someone with such a retarded attitude is allowed to teach music????

[quote name='Old Horse Murphy' post='241631' date='Jul 17 2008, 11:59 AM']Intersted in trades? I've got a Depilator that used to belong to Shakin Stevens[/quote] Pre or post "This Ole House"?

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Fine. Phil can have it back.

[quote name='bremen' post='241555' date='Jul 17 2008, 10:19 AM']Wish I could do that but I'm the opposite of Legoheads and feel embarassed that I can only play fingerstyle.[/quote] Same here. I miss the strings with a pick. I often prefer the pick sound, I just can't do it.

I'm not really a boob man. Don't get me wrong, they have their place (hopefully closer to the chin than the knees), but I've never used big boobs as an excuse to shag a fat bird. More of a bum man personally. And a nice pair of pins. *now that's how you hijack a thread!

Sign me up for some of that boobage.

Who the f*** is he?