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[quote name='bass_ferret' post='246036' date='Jul 23 2008, 12:55 PM']Not really. If you trawl through the back pages and can remember what went down on bass world there is some gear that strongly divide opinions and some that nobody has a bad word for. Trace Elliot is marmite but I have never really read anyone with a downer on Peavey, its just not the most transparent of gear (and f***ing heavy). Likewise EBS, Gallien Gruger, Eden, Mark Bass etc etc, never seen a bad word for the amps although some dont rate Mark Bass cabs (including me). Surprisingly there are lots that dont rate Ampeg.[/quote] Youv'e heard me put a downer on Peavey cos Ive stated in this thread among others that I don't like them. As for EBS, Eden and Mark Bass etc its unlikely that they will be slated as much because for one: they are not used as much. The more lower & middle priced cabs and amps are going to sell a lot more than the higher end of the market so their are bound to be more comments about them. Secondly people who spend a lot of money on equipment are going to be more reluctant to admit they don't like them. I am not saying for one minute that Ashdown and Hartke are better than GK, Mark Bass, EBS, Eden or anything else. I am merely pointing out that its down to personal choice what you like the sound of. as for trawling through posts to see what other people think of them, thats pointless as I want my sound and not theirs

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='245728' date='Jul 22 2008, 10:23 PM']And I like using two cabs the same and after 28 years as a gigging bass player I would not mix cabs, so thats what I recommended. So how come I am wrong and you are right?[/quote] I never said you were wrong, I just pointed out that its all down to personal opinion it was you that decided to argue the point And secondly you said Hartke and Ashdown were a bit marmite (loved by some and hated by others) but thats a bit misleading cos in actual fact all equipment is a bit marmite. Peavey and Trace elliott for eg have both fans and detractors

be careful if you buy a hercules double stand. I have one and I have to have it fully exteded to use it with my warwick and find that when I hang one on the other side the bottom of the body touches the legs. Another problem with them is if you have a bass on one side and a guitar on the other, the fold out back supports are in an off position. because you have to fully extend it for a bass by the time you have slid the back support up the pole to support the guitar, its almost on the neck of the bass

[size=4][size=3]What was the name of the shop. you need to name and shame so no one on here will use the shop. SOunds like the guy was just taking the P1ss. I would have been sorely tempted to shove a box where the sun don't sine[/size][/size]

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='245033' date='Jul 22 2008, 07:29 AM']But why would 15 and 4x10 be bigger and beefier than say 2 15's or 2 4x10's. Have you ever tried a stack of two identical cabs?[/quote] Of course I have used twin cabs in the past. and to answer your question I'm not saying it would be bigger and beefier I'm just giving advice based on what I would choose. I like a 1x15 and a 4x10, so if someone asks me to recommend something then thts what I'm gonna recomend isnt it. Why would I want to recommend something I wouldn't buy myself?

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='244694' date='Jul 21 2008, 06:56 PM']You got me. Once upon a time music and hi-fi mags used to do their own lab tesing of gear. It probably fell from favour because the lab tests contradicted the listening tests. One persons back up I think, that was more to do with his understanding of "marmite". Still, I would be interested to hear his reasons for telling a newbie this:[/quote] My reasons are based on what I have used during my 30 years of gigging. I can only comment on things I have had experience with. This guy said he wanted a stack so I presumed he wanted something big and beefy. For me thats a 15 and a 4x10. For you its obviously different. As I said I don't like 12s but I wouldn't say to him don't buy them cos they're sh*te cos I don't use them. IMHO the sound of bass through a 12 inch speaker is pants but then again for someone else its the next door to heaven. He could quite easily pick up what I recommended second hand for well under 600 quid, it would be a bit pointless if we all recommended the same thing wouldn't it. And as for the marmite comment yeah I did read that wrong. however I would say the same about all gear not just ashdown and hartke some people love it some people hate it

[quote name='The Funk' post='244531' date='Jul 21 2008, 04:20 PM']I'm going to see Return To Forever tonight at the Indig02. I can't bloody wait! Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, Lenny White and Al di Meola reuniting to perform songs like [i]The Romantic Warrior[/i], [i]Vulcan Worlds[/i] and [i]Sorceress[/i]. It won't be for everyone but one person's self-indulgent w@nk-fest is another person's bukkakke party.[/quote] sh*t! I would love to be there to see that. All those guys were a big influence on me gah, I hope they are coming to Manchester

[quote name='pockethammer' post='244056' date='Jul 20 2008, 09:23 PM']gak have price match ...... [url="http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/pricematch.php"]http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/pricematch.php[/url] hard to beat them[/quote] I just had a look £675 a fantastic price, I almost paid £500 for a second hand one off here. I might as well buy a brand new one at that price cheers for the link

and there was me thinking I had a good bass sound. Damn. I suppose I should be looking to get a couple of Boutique designer 12s now so I can get a decent sound. I really thought my 25 years of giigging experience had taught me that a good sound is only in your head. Right chaps lets all get the same cabs so we can all get the same sound. I think your missing the point here, who is qualified to say whether your sound is good except yourself, answer? - of course its none except yourself is it? Because only you know what sound your trying to achieve and whether thats with 10s, 15, 18s or even 12s or a mixture of all the above or even a 50 watt practice amp. So science can't define what a good sound is unless a computer has a better idea what you want than you do

[quote name='alexclaber' post='243947' date='Jul 20 2008, 05:48 PM']Ian, I'm agreeing with you dammit! Re-read my post! Alex[/quote] ] Yeah I know Alex, I wasn't really responding to what you said, just quoting you to make my point.

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='243929' date='Jul 20 2008, 05:24 PM']OK I stand corrected, but I think Bill may have a stronger view on this. The phase response in particular is unlikely to sound better, unless of course the cabs have been designed to work together. I would expect that the improvements often ascribed to mixing cabs are far more likely to be the result of lifting the top cab closer to the ears. [b]What I disagree with is "expert" opinion telling people they need a 1x15 and 2x10 or 4x10.[/b] It would be interesting to check this out at a bash but I never seem to get to one.[/quote] I would agree with that bit, but I would also agree with the same of telling people NOT to mix them either

[quote name='Machines' post='243939' date='Jul 20 2008, 05:39 PM']That's the old model.. you can get the 2008 one for £20 more ! Johnny Roadhouse aren't that cheap from what I remember..[/quote] thanks for the tip mate

The one I found was johnny Roadhouse in Manchester [url="http://www.johnnyroadhouse.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1602&category_id=122&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=64"]http://www.johnnyroadhouse.co.uk/index.php...t&Itemid=64[/url]

[quote name='alexclaber' post='243917' date='Jul 20 2008, 05:02 PM']I think you're oversimplifying this. Although you cannot easily predict how non-matching cabs will combine this does not mean that they cannot sound good. It is feasible for the differences in frequency response, both magnitude and phase, once combined, to result in a more balanced sound when using two non-matching cabs compared to using two of either model. But its not predictable and needs testing on case by case basis. The scientific fact is that you don't need a combination of small speakers (usually 10"s) and big speakers (usually 15"s) to get both treble, mids and bottom in a nice balanced way, so it would be nice if old wives tales along these lines ended. But to make a blanket statement that you should never mix speaker sizes if said speakers do not have a full crossover to split the frequency spectrum between them is to spread yet more disinformation - it is not scientific fact. Alex[/quote] Whets science got to do with anything. this is music your sound is different from his sound is different from my sound etc etc. Who is to say which sound is better. Is mark kings sound better than some of the old mowtown tunes, possibly if you like mark kings sound Its all subjective to personal taste, you can add math until your head explodes but it wont make your sound better to my ears than mine whether your using a laney head or a boutique head with gold knobs on. heh heh

The only scientific fact I am interested in when Im playing is what my ears tell me. Who is an acoustic engineer to tell me what a great sound is lol. I know what I like. Sound is all personal opinion.

I sometimes use Elites and sometimes Rotosound swing bass mainly cos they are cheap. The rotosounds you can boil over and over again which is handy when your skint. If money doesn't matter I would buy Elixirs all the time. They last forever and sound and feel fantastic, they are just too expensive for my tastes

Subs can be had on ebay for 350, you can pick up a jazz for around 450-500 and the warwicks you can get for a good price. They don't hold their money as well as fenders though. For e.g you can pick up an 1100 warwick for under 500 but a jazz might set you back 500+ even though they are only about 750 new. Also stingrays seem to be really dropping in price as well. Ive seen them on here for 600 recently. Then there are the lakland syline series and the KSD's they are great basses but might struggle to resell in the mainstream cos they are not as well known as fenders 500 should get you something really nice, don't forget the jap fenders either, some of them are even better than the US ones

Im trying to find out how much I can get a brand new American stanbdard Jazz bass for. Cheapest I can find so far is £749, anyone know anywhere cheaper than that?

A friend of mine had a very well known PA building company make him a 15 and a 2x10 loaded with RCF drivers. Its sounded absolutely stunning. He drives it with an old trace elliott pre amp and a crown 2K power amp. Its loud enough to fill a concert hall on its own. But the definition from the cabs in unbelievable It wasn't cheap mind, and those RCFs cost a bundle

[quote name='bass_ferret' post='243665' date='Jul 20 2008, 09:59 AM']Dont mix cabs with different size drivers. If you need two cabs get two the same.[/quote] I would say thats a personal thing, like anything else with equipment, whatever sounds poor to someone elses ears may sound great to yours. I myself for instance can't stand the sound of 12s with a bass through them, equally I don't like the sound of a guitar put through a 15 or a 10. Just go round the stores ad try lots of combinations out then try to seek out what you want second hand, your 600 should go pretty far.

I'd say £600 is plenty for your first stack. I jsut recently bought two heads off here and Ashdown 300 and Hartke 400 plus a Hartke 2x10 and an ashdown 15 all for £270. Some people will tell you they are crap and others that they are great. Personally I love the sound, its all obviously personally subjective. I have been playing through a 300 watt Trace Elliott till I bought this lot and to be honest it all sounds good. Peavey's are ultra reliable but for me lack something in the sound, I'm not saying they sound bad I just don't like the sound they produce. I would say for your first stack you should be able to pick up a 15, a 4x10 and a decent amp second hand easily for 600. Have a look on this forum and also on ebay. The Peavey 450s are going for peanuts on there make sure you try loads before you buy, take your time spending your money and enjoy the Gas