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[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1446980448' post='2903838'] Not gigging right now but otherwise I'd have been well up for it, nice to see some genuine innovation, any idea how much these will retail for ?. [/quote] £699

[quote name='edpirie' timestamp='1446621187' post='2900801'] So they're not the same in technical terms, but according for one BC'er who uses both there's no discernible difference in practice. Which is great news if you can't afford the PJB's, but if you can it would be worth trying them because we're all very different the way we hear things and so for some there might be a clear difference to justify the higher price. Fair summary? [/quote] Definitely agree on the way people hear things. I was talking to an MD from a big London theatre recently. He bought one set of the PJB's to try out and heard there was a cheaper alternative so have them a go. The next week he ordered five sets of the PJB's - one as a personal backup and four sets for key musicians in the pit. Of course, he's using them in a high end professional situation so a) He's likely to have very sensitive ears and it's easier to justify the higher price for better quality kit.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1446594432' post='2900746'] But they [i]look[/i] the same . [/quote] That'll be the manufacturer saving $150K of tooling costs - seriously that's how much it costs just to set up the builds on these! The difference in price is in the interior components. One set are low cost, cheap to obtain parts, the others are specifically designed to reproduce bass frequencies, at volume, for a significant amount of time

Here's what I had about the differences: "The PJB H850 has a completely new design transducer to cope with the extreme punishing low frequencies and dynamics of a bass guitar. This transducer is unique to the PJB H850 and not available in any other headphone. To achieve the desired performance, they used a more powerful neodymium magnet, a slightly larger voice coil and to keep the moving mass low, they opted for copper clad aluminum single layer, edge‐wound ribbon conductor. Also, the rear damping chamber is far more effective than the Edifier headphones. Another thing is that the PJB headphones have a much flatter frequency response across the whole audio spectrum and consistent in manufacturing to within =/- 2dB. The Edifier headphones have a very peaky response from 5KHz on up and that is due to the fact that there is far less damping inside them along with a lower cost diaphragm and two layer round wire copper coil. The Edifier brand is a low cost consumer brand and the products designed for them are built to fit specific low price points." Sounds like they are pretty different to me. . .

Those Edifier 'phones have been around a while. Same external components (to save on tooling I think) but the PJB ones have a lot of internal upgrades. They may look the same but performance should be quite different if used to monitor a bass at any sort of volume. I've git a breakdown of key differences somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

[quote name='colgraff' timestamp='1445784491' post='2894138'] All three of yours??? Do you run an international drug cartel or something? [/quote] 35 years working in big London ad agencies - pretty much the same thing. . .

[quote name='Spoombung' timestamp='1445771097' post='2893957'] Anyone know if they make short or medium scale basses - 32" etc? [/quote] The most common scale on Ritter 4's seems to be 33.3" - all three of mine are this scale. It may not sound much less than 34" but this, coupled with the overall ergonomic body designs and slim necks, makes them really easy to play

[quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1444901031' post='2887070'] Nice bass...very similar to the white one that had down at Bass Gear - looked fantastic at the LBGS with white strings on... [/quote] That's the one I was playing last night The white strings are stored away for special occasions though. . .

[quote name='Dazed' timestamp='1444859966' post='2886866'] So apart from the cost, quirky deigns (imho) that I'm a fan of, do owners and players of Ritters love the sound as much as the aesthetics? Curious how flexible the triple buckers and Parametric EQ are? Is there a good p tone in there? [/quote] I've just got back from rehearsing with my Cora - always so easy to play and sounds great. The electronics are really flexible and Jens really listens to your tone requirements when building a bass. I'm always amazed at how deep and low my R8 goes and it weighs about 6.5lbs!

Recently completed my second deal with Simon, Lovely guy to chat to and super efficient in organising payment stuff