JakeBrownBass

[quote name='Lfalex v1.1' timestamp='1332355631' post='1587273'] By my own admission, I am not a good student, but the (only, so bad was the experience) "teacher" I had was awful. Sure, he could play. Sure, he could read & knew his theory But he was [u]not[/u] a good teacher. [/quote] You are always going to get teachers like that, but if you feel that, don't go back.

Mono GS1 for me. Comfiest strap I've used!

Also, most teachers learn how to teach and what approaches to use by taking things that their teachers taught them!

You really should know your theory & reading IMO to be able to teach someone & make a living out of it.

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1332332696' post='1586709'] I'm a tab fiend I use tuxguitar. I can read music on score when I fancy but I find learning quicker this way (I read the tab and the score simultaneously) [/quote] If your using the tab for the notes & the notation for the rhythms you are so close to just using notation mate. The smallest amount of work is needed there and will become just as quick for learning.

Out of interest, in what form are you writing them down to come back to later?

[quote name='Faithless' timestamp='1332235384' post='1585078'] The third Battles Show is up and running on Youtube, here's some stuff: [b]Beyonce - Rollin' On The River[/b] [b]Ce Lo Green - Crazy[/b] PS I'm more than proud to announce, that, during Final Live Shows we're gonna have a few cool guests on the show, that we're hopefully gonna play with: It's Marlon Roudette ("Mattafix") and "The Voice Of Holland" 2011 winner Ben Saunders among many others. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkDb8dAdqTc&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p3lP3l6sro&feature=related[/media] [/quote] Lovely playing in 'Proud Mary' mate. I'm still not a fan of the singers though!!

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1332247378' post='1585437'] Inauthentic. [/quote] Stevie Wonder?

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1332245617' post='1585387'] Well, in my opinion, you simply have to be yourself to be authentic. If an artist is dressed up to create an image which was not their design, but then dno't make it clear that this is not their own image, that's not authentic. If an artist sings someone else's music with no creative input, but they give the impression that they are creatively involved, that's not authentic. just two examples, but to me it means a sort of "honesty" so if anyone is "faking" in any way, it's not authentic. [/quote] How do you take aliases then, artists that change there name for an image or marketing purposes?

[quote name='muttley' timestamp='1332243266' post='1585305'] Better quality than the grammar teaching, I hope . [/quote] I can't write to save my life. That's why i play music.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1332243102' post='1585300'] I always found that argument to be bullshit too. If you are rich, why would that stop you singing about OTHER PEOPLE's poverty and the injustice and pain, etc. Unless the artist is a dumb f***ing sh*t with no empathy or soul. [/quote] You see, that is actually one of the arguments. The Auteur vs. Reproducer. The auteur is the man thats signing about poverty because he's in it. The reproducer is the man thats singing about what the other man's going through. Why is the Auteur generally classed as being authentic while the latter is not. It's never ending circles of arguments.

I guess my begirding of this type of thing is that i feel it's all being over evaluated and everything seems to need a reason as to why some one did something or what they actually mean by doing said thing. It's a similar reason as to why i loved maths & physics in school rather than English literature, over analysing poems at books. Having teachers stood saying "the poet meant [i]this [/i]when he wrote that line" as appose to letting a poet write a poem without everyone reading too much in to it.

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1332242416' post='1585273'] music is an artform - i don't see how you can study art without discussing its development and meaning. [/quote] I guess my point is that some things aren't relevant to developing as a musician, which is why i'd hope most people are here for. There are different ways in discussing its development and meaning.

How long are you teaching them for? I've found anything more than 30 mins with a child this young is nigh on impossible. They just don't have the concentration span for it. Start with simple things, how to hold the guitar, names of strings. Maybe begin with simple melodies on a single string. I don't whether it was just the kids i was teaching, but they were much more interested in knowing the names of different parts of the guitar than actually playing the thing at first. I've had a print out of a guitar before with arrows pointing at different parts of the guitar for them to take home and write the parts on. Seems to keep them interested at first.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1332241687' post='1585249'] Crap innit £9k a year to get asked 34 hours worth of complete bollocks. I hope the music teaching is better quality. [/quote] Ah i got in before the rise in fee's so not quite as bad. It's one of the best music schools in the country, the music teaching is definitely better quality. Every course has things that are deemed pointless but have to be there to keep the'establishment' happy.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1332241435' post='1585246'] This thread is completely mental. The essay question has nothing to do with 'authenticity', it is much more related to developing and maintaining artistic INTEGRITY, whatever that may mean. Just sounds like another music college ripping off their students with this bullshit instead of teaching them MUSIC, and letting them form their own philosophical approaches. FFS [/quote] Oh no, we get taught MUSIC. This lesson is just an hour a week of what i consider admin work to give the government some written work to look at.

Here's one guys rant on the matter, http://wtait.tumblr.com/ [quote name='Faithless' timestamp='1332240817' post='1585227'] This is just something I don't get about music tuition in colleges - I think, one is supposed to be a good musician, rather than essayist, and spend most of the time on practice. I bet it this sh*t must be driving you crazy, Jake. Take care, L [/quote] don't get me started on that!

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1332237930' post='1585140'] The definitions you give are not what I would consider to be the root of the question. Are you sure these are the definitions given by your assignment? What is the actual question in your assignment? [/quote] The question itself is split it into almost blog like entries. Rather than a full blown essay, so 800-1000 words on each subject chosen. "Cultivating and sustaining an 'authentic' image through live performance and media coverage' I know this isn't the question i asked you guys, but i wanted to look at peoples opinions before moving to this. Live performance includes recordings.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1332231704' post='1585014'] PLEASE DEFINE 'AUTHENTICITY' !! I think most of this thread is barking up the wrong small shrub. [/quote] Sorry only just got back to this and not had chance to read through yet. With the nature of the argument it's very hard to actually define authenticity, I posted a couple definitions on the first pages. I guess in its simplest terms, undeniable credibility.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1332177334' post='1584373'] Is that an opinion or a belief? Or are you claiming it as absolute truth? [/quote]

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1332176122' post='1584335'] But surely this exercise should be all about your opinions and not what a bunch of people on an internet forum think. Make up your own mind and argue your case. And in the OP the implication was that Led Zep were more authentic than Jedward. I was pointing out that from where I'm standing their inceptions were equally manufactured - although you could even argue that at the very beginning Jedward was less manufactured than Led Zep. [/quote] I have my opinions and know what i think in the matter of authenticity in music. It's not about arguing a point, it's researching what & why people think some things are authentic and others less so. The reason i posted this on a music forum is because generally, as musicians, you have a deeper view and feeling into matters like this. Opening a discussion and viewing other's opinions. There is no right or wrong answer, just opinion and beliefs.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1332175138' post='1584311'] IMO this is the problem with being able to study "popular music" at university. In the end it's entirely subjective and all a little pointless. [/quote] Anything that can hold an opinion with people is subjective. Analysing metaphors in poem's whilst studying English Literature can equally be classed as 'pointless' [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1332175138' post='1584311'] IMO this is the problem with being able to study "popular music" at university. In the end it's entirely subjective and all a little pointless. From my PoV Led Zep are no more or less authentic than Jedward. They were a manufactured band by Jimmy Page - a session bassist and a couple of nobodies from Birmingham that could be exploited. It's all a question of perspective. Plus Jedward are a lot more fun. [/quote] The artists in question aren't relevant. They were just two artists that popped into my head.

When i say pop music, i don't mean as in the 90's pop groups, i'm talking from the 20's onwards, all 'popular' music. [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1332172762' post='1584260'] Do you mean authentic or credible? I'm not sure how pop music could ever be authentic..? [/quote] Tomayto, Tomarto Authenticity comes with credibility. [quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1332172907' post='1584264'] is any music authentic??????? [/quote] we're not far enough in the thread for that yet. [quote name='Conan' timestamp='1332173402' post='1584273'] Define "authentic". [/quote] "undisputed credibility" "the quality of being genuine or not corrupted from the original" "not counterfeit or copied" "genuine, reliable, trustworthy" "actual, authoritative, faithful, genuine, reliable"

Hey guys, i'm in the middle of doing some research in Authenticity in popular music for an assignment at uni. I thought i'd open the discussions with you lot. What are your feelings on the matter, what makes for example Led Zeppelin more authentic than lets say, Jedward etc... You can see where i'm going with this So what is your take on authenticity in music. What makes it authentic and what doesn't.

I'm guessing mark bass wanted one distributer for all their products (MarkDrum, DV Mark) and maybe Proel didn't want all of these?