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[quote name='thunderider' timestamp='1358689605' post='1943351'] sorry for my spelling english is only my first language AITCH!!......what descreet said!! leen, not enough bottom end... thin bass... [/quote] While we're being pedantic , that should be "lean " . Don't blame yourself though , you have been failed by the Comprehensive School system .

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1358691510' post='1943385'] It died [/quote] Priceless!

[quote name='toneknob' timestamp='1358688620' post='1943320'] George Murray. What happened to him after Scary Monsters? [/quote] I regulaly wonder about that too ! He played on a Jerry Harrison (Talking Heads) solo album I seem to remember and then disappeared . He was/is a brilliant player who was an integral part of Bowies best ever backing band and his best albums , in my opinion .

Everybody needs something to worry about - it makes people feel as if they are being vigilant about potential threats and possible future problems - but if you are losing sleep over bass gear then I can only suggest you have got your priorities wrong . You should be worrying over something more serious like your health , personal safety , career, or your failing relationships with other people . The potential for sleep-depriving anxiety from just those four things ( or any combination of them ) is so great that you could easily spend the rest of your life under their control . Get a proper perspective on things - all it takes to sort out your bass gear is a bit of money and some experimentation . Those other things I mention are potentially far more damaging to your well -being and happiness . You could get a lot more milage out of worrying about them instead . Hope that helps .

G&L are very well made and great sounding basses . To me they are a like a hybrid of a Fender and a Music Man , which is not really surprising when you consider who designed them . Very powerful and usable sound and rock solid construction . I was certainly aware of them back in the early 1980s when they had maybe a higher profile as they tried to establish their reputation as a company . I remember local music shops had a couple of L2000 in at one time or another and they were very solid basses . A friend of mine who has gone on to be an established pro player bought one as his main bass back then , and as far as I know is still using it regulaly now . I used to have one for a while and it was a superb bass in many ways , but couldn't get on with the 1.75 inch nut width . A custom option on the USA basses is a 1.5 inch Jazz Bass width nut , which would have been much better for my tastes . Plenty of well known players have used G&L over the years , including people like Larry Graham , Dee Murray and David Hood , and they will always be a respected brand .

[quote name='kulabula' timestamp='1358673929' post='1942977'] hi, does anyone own a BB1024 x ? I'm interested in them and would like some feed back.How versatile are they? I've got an SR300 currently and like the look of the 1200 which is in a similar price range, and as I'm so new to everything I'd really appreciate some advice. I'm in a covers band if that makes any difference. thanks Andy [/quote] I've never played or heard the other models you mention , but I am very familiar with the BB2024X that the BB1024x is based on ( same design , pickups, bridge ect ) and in terms of it being versatile I would have to say that it certainly is . The PJ setup is much better than on any Fender - style bass I have ever played , mainly because Yamaha have designed and positioned the J pickup in such a way as to make it so powerful that it doesn't suffer the weak output of so many J bass pickups in comparison to the more beefy sounding P pickup , and also the bass suffers far less from phase cancellation when you put both pickups on together . I can't imagine any musical setting where these basses wouldn't sound good - from punk to jazz fusion they will give you a great sound - and there is something about them that just sounds right no matter what you do . I'm sure the 1024 won't sound that different to the 2024 considering the similarities between them .

[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1358628778' post='1942616'] Fixed [/quote] No , you're Bernard Manning .

[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1358628778' post='1942616'] Fixed [/quote] No , you're Peter Kaye

[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1358628778' post='1942616'] Fixed [/quote] You're Peter Hook aren't you .

[quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1358627231' post='1942577'] Dingus your arse speaks volumes. I've never read such elitist bollocks in all my life. That is all. [/quote] That's the second time I've been called an elitist this week . The first time was by my dad . I'm beginning to think there might be something in it . But seeing as you mention it , it wouldn't matter if I was Benito Mussolini , Peter Hook is a very , very poor bass guitarist . The rest is complete bollocks . And I like to think that my arse is my best feature .

But then again what do I know .

Looks to be a beautiful example . And yes , those CS60s pickups sound fantastic - deep but with plenty of bite .

The thing is that you certainly don't see that many come up for sale in the U.K as they never sold in great numbers over here . Looking specifically for an 1985 makes it even more rare . I mention collectable ones because they are actually easier to get hold of specifically because people have collections and decide to trade them .

Majestic , as usual .

I couldn't give you and exact price by any means , but you should be able to pick one up for very reasonable money , providing you can find one . I would concentrate on trying to find used G&L SB1 basses and get an idea if there is any consensus on the price and take it from there . Finding one specifically from 1985 would be a bit of a hard ask unless you make it a long-term project , I would think . The most collectable G&L bass from that era is the El Toro , which has become a bit of a cult classic, and after that the very early G&L basses with the pre-lawsuit headstock shape are also a little more rare and sought after .

Another vote for Yamaha here , especially the BB415 . The BB Series Yamaha five strings are 34 inch scale , the TRBs are 35 inch .

[quote name='lowdowner' timestamp='1358616210' post='1942294'] I only play every other note though - I thought that was the accepted way for fast bass lines, or the listener's ear can't keep up... [/quote] I have to play it like the original . I'm obsessive like that . I have however , heard a few big name bass players plays simplified versions of their own basslines when playing live compared to the original recorded versions .

I don't think Adam Clayton is a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. He has played all kinds of memorable bass parts on U2 songs , including "hook" parts that are central to the song in certain instances . He's got a great sound , his basslines drive the songs along and he does a great job in that band . I am a little surprised that the O.P chooses Where The Streets Have No Name as an example of simplicity , because I have often thought that was a tricky pick workout and not easy to keep properly in time and as tight as Adam Clayton plays it . U2 , especially the more recent stuff , is not really my thing but Adam Claytons' playing is an important part of that band and their success .

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1358583358' post='1941601'] i did notice her right hand technique [/quote] Hmmm...

[quote name='gjones' timestamp='1358607220' post='1942112'] There's a million, spotty, overweight, ginger, teenage boys, who can play as good (or better) than this. They will continue to record playalong videos in their bedroom and post them on Youtube. But nobody will ever watch them........... It's sad. [/quote] True . The sooner we find a cure for ugliness the better .

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1358604258' post='1942051'] So let's turn this around. Those of you who don't think that Peter Hook is worth of a "Masterclass" who would you rather have instead, what would you expect to get out of the class and why is it important? [/quote] Oh , that's a good question ! In my limited experience of these kind of things , I would say the problem is that the best players are not neccesarily the best teachers . Someone like Anthony Jackson is an undisputed master of the bass guitar , but he's so far ahead of everybody else that he wouldn't neccesarilly give most people much digestable information . If I had to give you some names off the top of my head I would say Pino Palladino , Mark Egan and David Hungate . Any of those three have a wealth of applied knowledge and experience to share , regardless of what style the audience members aspire to . I would want to glean something practical from any one of them to take away and apply to improve my own playing , but beyond that it would just be fascinating to hear them talk . It's worth mentioning though BRX , that whereas I was never a Joy Division / New Order fan and I have never enjoyed Peter Hooks style , I would much , much rather go see Peter Hook talk and play at one of these events than many of the people who do give seminars at these kind of things . I am sure that as a raconteur Hooky is a star performer , and he will offer a fascinating insight into playing bass with the bands he was in . My only reservation about Peter Hook in all of this is his ability to play the bass guitar to a masterful level . If I was going to this show I would be looking forward to seeing him talk , regardless .

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1358520548' post='1940739'] This suggests that the people who are not in favour of Hook ( clearly,mainly me and Pete, in this thread) are more about technique than music...which is clearly crap and has nothing to do with the discussion.I don't believe that anyone mentioned technique. As a bass player and musician,Hook does what he does, and I don't think that that is enough to hold a 'masterclass' at a bass show.I'm sure he has good stories about his bands and how they worked together though. I find it interesting that in the threads about guys like Wooten, Marcus, Jaco etc. people are quick to shout words like 'w***ing', 'boring','souless' and 'muso' (whatever that means), yet when someone says something negative about a popular band player they are dismissed as 'arrogant' and being more about technique than music. [/quote] Well said. No one is suggesting Peter Hook isn't a worthwhile player within the context of his own chosen musical path - though his bands have certainly never been my cup of tea- but he himself would admit he has forged a career based round [i]how little[/i] he knows about playing the bass rather than how much . A lot of the discussion on this thread has mentioned technique , but to me that is a bit of a misnomer . I think what a lot of folks actually mean by that is [i]knowledge[/i] , namely of music and how it applies to playing the bass , and Peter Hook has a scant amount of that and has forged his style around that fact . Good for him - he seems happy enough with what he has achieved with his fantastic career and his own contribution to those bands . I'm not at all snooty about it - it takes all kinds to make a world , as the saying goes . The fact remains though , that all bass players tap into the same pool of knowledge when they play the bass whether they realise it or not - the same rules of music apply whether you know them or not - and it seems a bit ridiculous to me that some people automatically champion players who come across a G dominant 7 chord themselves by accident without knowing what it is over someone who was taught it , ascribing a unwarranted degree of creativity and spontaneity to those who are flailing around blindly . Proper technique is just the quickest and most efficient route to playing the bass effectively . Playing the bass requires knowledge and technique is the means by which you put that knowledge into practise . The rest is superfluous .

I too can confirm that these basses are everything they are cracked up to be and then a bit more besides . The build quality is as good as it gets at any price , and the sound is unique- full , rich and powerful . These basses are a bit of a bargain in my book , because to get anything this kind of quality from one of the so -called boutique builders you would pay prices well in excess of what these Yamahas retail for in the U.K .

[quote name='Jacqueslemac' timestamp='1358500111' post='1940177'] I thought "blowing out" meant "turning down". At least it used to. [/quote] Rather than " blowing out " , I think he meant " knocking out " , but that can have other connotations too ie they're nice basses but I wouldn't go that far !

[quote name='visog' timestamp='1358540464' post='1941255'] And Fodera-wielding MI graduates channeling Jeff Berlin approved chord-tones transcribed from 50-year old standards and Gary Willis' technique don't! [/quote] I don't know - I don't listen to them . But you are probably (almost certainly ) right on that point !