MiltyG565

[quote name='Wil' timestamp='1355488292' post='1899027'] I have to agree! I quite enjoyed this review of their latest, though, from Melody Maker's Mr Agreeable: [url="http://thequietus.com/articles/10744-mumford-sons-babel-review-mr-agreeable"]http://thequietus.co...ew-mr-agreeable[/url] [/quote] There were too many asterisks to read it properly. I actually found it a bit insulting.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1355489042' post='1899049'] M&S aren't folk music mate, they're Woolly Tank Top Pop. [/quote] Haha

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1355488934' post='1899048'] [list] [*]You're bashing him for being derivative and you like RHCP. Nurse! Cognitive Dissonance in General Discussion! [/list] [/quote] Ok, so explain where my "Cognitive dissonance" comes from? I wasn't bashing him AT ALL for being derivative, i was saying that plenty of people have done this, and have been doing it, and are still doing exactly what this kid does, and what Bob Dylan did. But yet, he has gotten the attention of the record labels and the general public, why?

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1355488560' post='1899037'] I'd hardly call an RBX775 a substandard instrument! How would you know anyway? You've never played one! [/quote] I wasn't saying that they were substandard. But you can never really be sure what you are getting second hand. [quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1355488560' post='1899037'] You're considering buying a new Fender 5 string Jazz without ever having played one and despite Fender 5 strings being amongst the poorest in mass production these days. [/quote] That is your opinion, friend. [quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1355488560' post='1899037'] I'm just saying, diving in at the deep end doesn't always end well. Worst case scenario, you buy a new Fender 5 string and you end up hating it/not using it and end up losing £500 off it. At least maybe try a second hand Fender first? Truckstop [/quote] Had every intention of doing just that, as i have said twice. Thanks

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1355488459' post='1899033'] Er... [/quote] Are you actually going to contribute to the discussion, or just write things like this?

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1355488127' post='1899022'] Who has? [/quote] Taken out of context. The point was that he hasn't done anything that Bob Dylan hasn't already done, and that bucketloads of people have been doing since Bob Dylans heyday, yet he has the spotlight thrown on him.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1355488051' post='1899021'] IMO Mumford and Sons are hardly any more new or original than Jake Bugg, and the others have all been around for at least 20 or so years. [/quote] Maybe so, but the thing with RHCP, RATM and John Frusciante is that they weren't just propelled into stardom and adored by waves of fangirls over night despite their music clearly being nothing more than the regurgitated songs of an artist that is still alive! I like other folk music along with Mumford and sons, they just happen to be the most popular right now.

[quote name='andyjingram' timestamp='1355485261' post='1898957'] I still haven't listened to any of the promo stuff, but I'm assuming he's going for the analogue only 'vintage' sound a-la Dylan/Neil Young which has been popular in certain circles for a while. I don't have any beef over originality or harking directly back to any sound or style. If it's done well, that is all that counts. And this brickwalled, hyper compressed, full-frequency-all-the-time production sound we have at the moment can been seen as a forward motion, a modernistic 'way of the future' development, but it is very much of our time, and it's been hanging around for more than a decade at least. It's time for a change, in as much as through the 80's records got cleaner and more 'modern', but then eventually the 90's 'dirt' sprung up in response. Eventually, once people are used to a particular aesthetic, just something different seems to be original and fresh. If he is successful more bands will want to adopt that sound and approach, so perhaps this is finally the beginning of the end for the synthetic, super-gloss sounds we have been putting up with for so long. Why him when there are so many others that have done the same thing? The answer always remains the same- because somewhere in his world there is someone willing to put a lot of money behind him, and pay it to the correct people. Why do we know about him? Because he's good? No, because every time we click onto a website or open another youtube video we are told about him, again and again. It is advertising, pure and simple. I know who we are talking about, and yet I haven't even heard his music yet! Advertising works, particularly when combined with what amounts to the peer pressure of radio and TV exposure- hearing your favourite presenter fauning over a track, and seeing everyone on a show behave as if the band is the next big thing has a big effect on the listening public. We as musos listen to and make decisions about music a little differently- were are too close to it, but for the casual listener if he's on Radio One, and The Graham Norton Show, and in the ad breaks, and in thier favourite magazine, and ten foot high in every tube station they walk through, that is a pretty powerful indication (or pressure to believe) that he [i]must[/i] be great. It's been happening since people started selling records. *EDIT* Three posts came in while while I was typing so; Sorry I've repeated some of them here! [/quote] Advertising is indeed powerful, i agree, of course all this is down to advertising, and a confirmation of how well it works, because i forget why i even started listening to him this morning? feckin advertising, it's like a bloody silent assassin. Stalks you a bit, makes the kill, then buggers off without a trace. Peer pressure- Not the case for me. I have more or less been cut off from my peers and public life for a few months now. I don't have a TV since the digital switchover, and i don't listen to the radio that often anymore.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1355486071' post='1898976'] Out of interst MiltyG565 what new music do you like? [/quote] I like mumford and sons, John Frusciante, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rage against the machine and lots of other artists that don't gig or record anymore.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355487290' post='1899004'] Clues in the MOT exempt (not too new to need one) [/quote] Hmm... that's a bit of a puzzler then. MOT's in northern ireland are different from in england. G-wizz?

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1355486593' post='1898988'] Why not try something like the Ibanez SR505 or Yamaha RBX775 etc? Seeing as you have a massive budget, why not spend a few hundred on the aforementioned (second hand) to see if you can actually get on with a fiver and then move them on at no loss to yourself? I find 5 strings very personal. I've owned Stingrays and Fender 5's and hated them. The ESH I have now is pretty close to perfection for me even though it's certainly not as expensive. It's just a really well designed 5 string! Truckstop [/quote] I don't have a massive budget. I am hoping to return to work by april/may time, then work until september. Most of the money i get shall be spent on musical goodies to make up for lost time and earnings I don't want to faff about too much with below par second hand instruments because it's a real heartache, and nearly put me off bass altogether at one point! Yamaha is a no go for bass or guitar beyond a budget option IMO.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355486996' post='1898995'] It was tongue in cheek really but I get your point, my car is worth less than most of my basses and is free to tax and MOT exempt [/quote] It's either very old, or very new. My wager is something like a Ford Ka? (new).

[quote name='Master blaster' timestamp='1355484197' post='1898938'] The pop industry is only there to sell records not to introduce new exciting music. A majority of the music buying public don't have musical ears and are really influenced into buying music. And they knw it. There's a guy I work with that plays music on his phone and its just like listening to a Now that's what I call music album. So why should the record company's risk investments when they can reproduce something that been tried and tested before knowing they'll make shed loads of money. It does suck but there aren't many top 20 acts over the 20 years that haven't shown strong influence from previous acts. It all revolves around fashion, and it just so happens that with bands like Mumford and Sons around it kinda makes folk music the 'in' thing, so it's a great time for the record industry to introduce a Bob Dylan-alike. [/quote] I always liked folk music, and having a decent band like Mumford & Sons having albums well produced means a lot to me. Maybe you're right (you're probably right) but i still don't like it. Why not just push Dylan's albums more? It has the same effect.

Somebody tried to sell a Hofner senator from 1959/1960 on local NI forum Fastfude. He claimed it was vintage (correct) and rare (not correct). He wanted £2500 for it, and said it was worth it because it was mint, and john lennon's guitar (massive lie there, although i think he meant SIMILAR to his guitar). He insisted no lowballers, but the truth is it wasn't worth more than about £500/£600. He was a bit of a troll, and constantly posting his "Mint second hand gear" for more than they sell new! i really do have a thing against the guy, it's insulting to our intelligence to do stuff like that.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1355482274' post='1898897'] No problem! All the Musicman 5er necks are virtually the same (apart from wood differences, paint, board material etc) but the spacing is tighter than most 5 string basses...so this might helps as its more 'Jazz' like. It depends if you like the profile though. [/quote] I was talking more about the profile.

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1355482187' post='1898896'] you wouldn't even know his name if he wasn't. [/quote] That's true, but at the same time, i don't care. I don't like his music, and if i wanted to hear something like his music, i would listen to Bob Dylan.

[quote name='mcgraham' timestamp='1355481857' post='1898887'] There was a thread elsewhere about vinyl vs CD. Ultimately even if they sound the same, or even if the vinyl sounds worse, if you enjoy the entire [i]experience[/i] of vinyl MORE, you can't divorce the enjoyment factor of the other non-musical aspects of the whole experience. In the same way, if someone looks better and performs better (visually, onstage antics, etc) than other performers/musicians, even if the music of the weaker performer is better, you can't divorce those factors from each other... it's the whole package that matters, and its very much a marketed product. Again, no accounting for taste. [/quote] No accounting for taste indeed. And you make a good point, being a worse musician than somebody performing the same kind of music isn't a bad thing, just different. Look at dave grohl for instance... He isn't all that people make him out to be. I have seen him cover Tiny Dance by Elton John, and it was a less than moving viewing experience, on the other hand, John Frusiciante covering the same song is something to behold, but he clearly focuses more on actually playing and singing, where as Dave was focusing more on theatrics. Each to their own and all that. But i think if anybody is going to start talking crap about how Jake Bugg is the next big thing, and totally original (sorry, silddx, I don't want the lecture on originality) maybe they should go and listen to Bob Dylan, then say how original he is.

[quote name='mcgraham' timestamp='1355481151' post='1898870'] I gave up trying to understand people in this regard the day I worked out that the music industry is just like any other, it's about selling a product that people want to buy. Just cos I don't want to listen to it (and I don't want to listen to Jake Bugg - doesn't grab me in the slightest) doesn't mean that there aren't others in the world that want to buy it, and to buy enough copies of it to make it worth selling and marketing hard, like any good product. I'm just pleased there's choice [/quote] Yeah, of course. I think this is more to do with the fact that he is a decent looking 18 year old lad. The music is nearly an after-thought. I could nearly go to the same label with his material, and they would look at me and say "Not a chance". I'm not saying he isn't talented, but i really can't see that he has done anything with his own thing to it, more just written songs that sound like they could be other peoples songs.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1355481098' post='1898868'] In my experience of going into 5 string territory (it took me a LONG time to make the jump as I wanted to get the right bass) it is always best to try them out, but realise also that your hands and muscle memory will adjust once you've had it, no matter what the spacing/scale. A few things I found out are below, but this is just what I found: 35" scale = better B? FALSE. Any well constucted 5 string bass can have a good B string. It ISN'T just about the B...its about balance. I tried 6 or more Lakland 35" Skyline basses and not only did I start disliking the B, I disliked the high weight and the poor QC for a pretty expensive bass. I also found the D and G strings didn't have the presence to match the huge B tone. Fender - good at 5 string basses? I tried a normal passive American Precision the other day, and it was a 5 string. Lovely bass, and well worth the money. The B blended nicely with the other strings. It wasn't perfect, but its good for what it is! Fender Deluxe (2010 ish onward) 5 string basses? Never played one, sorry, but the aesthestics are great. It's great that there is a passive/active switch but I'm not sure I'd bond with the pre-amp and noiseless pups. I need to try one. Musicman 5 string basses. I'm biased, because I LOVE the Musicman Stingray and I have since I first saw one back when I was learning. I always said to myself 'if I get a 5 string it'll be a Ray 5'. I spent about 18 months faffing with Laklands, trying all sorts of basses, trying to find the 'one'. What did I go back to? Musicman Stingray 5, and I ordered a HS. It is beautiful, lightweight, well made, great pre-amp, fantastic electronics, great spacing (I can almost slap on it now...getting there) and a timeless tone. There is a reason why these basses are almost an industry standard 5 string, (more so in the 90s). This led me to love the Musicman 5 string package, and now I have 3 with another on the way. Musicman designed it as a totally new bass, not just a Stingray with an extra string. Those pickups are great for a well balanced tone, and a nice tight punchy B string. Its all quite a personal thing...you need to bond with it. [/quote] Cheers for that, it really helps Sound and look and balance of a musician, but there's just something about the ergonomics of the neck which i need to try out again. I think a jazz neck is the only one that would ever really suit me

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355480590' post='1898856'] I agree with Chris, a second hand Ray 5 will possibly keep you happy for years and you can sell it for what you paid if you hunt wisely (or lose lots of money if you buy new like I did although I am not selling so its no biggie). [/quote] Here's the thing, i still can't decide whether i like the rays or not. There's something about it... can't put my finger on it. i'll have to dive into ray land at some point again.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1355480465' post='1898852'] I understand, but what do you do if you decide, as a lot of players do, that 5 strings are "not your thing"? I'd keep the new bass, the Fender of your dreams, for the next one. I find the cases smell new rather than the bass, but nothing shines like the finish of a new bass. [/quote] Yeah, cheers! I might go and borrow a 5 from someone for a few days at some point, see how that goes, then decide whether i want to get my own 5er.

Well, here's what i think, and feel free to disagree, but his songs sound like regurgitated Dylan and Beatles tunes. Nothing wrong with that i suppose. But why has this kid got so much of the attention? going by music and music alone, like we should, Jake Bugg hasn't done anything new, or fresh, but rather even gone to the length of having a vintage sounding recording, so very much trying to keep that early days Beatles and Dylan sound, again, nothing wrong there, but there people have been doing this since the heyday of Dylan and the Beatles, so again, why is the spotlight pointed on him when there are plenty of people doing this kind of thing? I have nothing against him, and i wish him the best. It's not my cup of tea really, i'm just trying to get my head around the fact that people are pouring towards him when his sound has been around for 50 years. I mean, you can go into any school in the country (please do ask permission first, don't want another Jimmy Saville affair) and ask any class do they like the Beatles or Bob Dylan, and while you will get kids who say yes, and it's their favourite artist(s), i think almost every class are going to give a majority answer of anything from "Not really" to "Who are they?". So WHY is everyone flocking to this NOW? I really don't understand people.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1355479709' post='1898829'] I've never played this Fender, but I definitely wouldn't buy a new bass as my first 5. You can buy a much better bass (of the non-coffee table kind) for that money from the BC For Sale section. The GB Spitfire, the Sadowsky Metro and Lakland JO for instance are all “Fender Jazz” basses that would outclass any Fender, IMO. I'd say that moving to 5 strings was a good move, but I’d save a new bass until I'd decided that 5ers were my thing. I bought a Stingray 5 from Loot as my first 5 string bass. It wasn't the best bass I've owned but it was good enough to get me through the transition period. [/quote] cheers, but i do like the fender. and i've never had a new bass i want to get some of that new bass smell!

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355478185' post='1898805'] Its you is it! [/quote] haha! He has a point. people here always put the BIN price at way over market price, in hope of getting some lazy bugger with more money than sense that can't wait for the auction to end. At most, BIN should be 10% over market value. Offering half of BIN though, in most cases, is offering not that far below market value.

Lazy bugger. You're all in it equal, the money gets split equal, why isn't the work equal? aye. Best without them. I would have let him know long ago that he needed to pull his weight though. And that you weren't going to pay for someone to come and watch so the singer can feel good.