MiltyG565

[quote name='skej21' timestamp='1391701867' post='2360403']
So they threw their principles out of the window (sorry, were MADE to) just to play to a bunch of people who have spent the last two decades not listening to their music whilst contradicting themselves publicly to their existing fans?

That makes no sense AT ALL.
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Because you can't understand something, and seem completely intent on being overly cynical on the whole thing without actually reading the links posted and the discussion on this thread, does not mean that it makes no sense.

[quote name='skej21' timestamp='1391700762' post='2360374']
To be fair though, I could understand giving up on your principles if you're a new band just getting on the scene and get offered a HUGE gig...

But the RHCP are hardly struggling to fill a gig. They do headline stadium tours around the world and have done for a LONG time. I doubt they really NEED the opportunity.

IMO, they're worse than One Direction. One Direction are riding their wave of success and are miming regularly because they don't have enough talent not to.

The RHCP are sacrificing their own, publicly expressed principles and belittling musicians who can play (including themselves) by miming. Desperately grabbing at some extra cash and trying to get a moment in a slightly larger limelight wouldn't be worth it in their situation IMO.

Also, if you are happy to throw your principles out the window for the dollars, be honest and say 'screw it, they offered us too much to turn the chance down!'... Don't start tweeting pretending like you were somehow FORCED to mime. You could have just said no if you genuinely didn't agree with it.
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They don't pay the acts of the half-time show. It was never about money. http://business.time.com/2014/02/02/bruno-mars-red-hot-chili-peppers-super-bowl-halftime-show/

[quote name='aende' timestamp='1391698415' post='2360325']
Also, different stadiums have different access to services, utilities and facilities and access to those services, utilities and facilities *could* have been a factor in the NFL decision.

After all, it was the NFL that decided the deal for the show......probably lead by the massed media and the unpredictability for any of the RHCP's to shout a profanity or lob out a cock onstage, live to the nation.......

I don't think that the NFL take these decision's likely and neither do the RHCP.
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Apparently it's been policy for the last 10 years for the half-time act to mime. It's not something they negotiate on, that's just how it is. The vocals were live, though, everything else was prerecorded. I'd say they were more concerned with some technical problem than one of them actually whipping it out, although miming does kind of reduce their ability to shout something "unrehearsed".

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1391693839' post='2360253']
Future human race? With the new changes to Housing Benefit currently coming into effect, you may well find many people from a variety of backgrounds living in bunkers like the ones you describe, nuclear threat or not. It will be just like the Blitz, but instead of Hitler's bombs the people in the shelters will be hiding from Ian Duncan Smith and the wrath of angry taxpayers sick of paying for parasites and scroungers. No doubt there will be plenty of YouTube vlogs about it.
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Lol - how could somebody who can't afford to live in a council house ever possibly be able to afford a nuclear blast bunker?

I get what you're saying though. I don't think I need to remind you that I am of these parasitic scroungers. I'm terrible, aren't I?

*Looks around curiously*... Where are we? How did we get here? We are so far off topic right now!


[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1391697500' post='2360317']
He doesn't do jamming sessions, remember?
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I found this joke a little... [i]jarring[/i]

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1391693155' post='2360236']
Make sure you let FlyFisher know.
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Ssh, he'll hear you, then I'll have to justify everything that I say!

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1391692343' post='2360216']
Though if you were wondering whether it would sound better to glue your instrument to an empty plastic bucket or one filled with sand, the video might help. A valuable service, that is!
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[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1391689868' post='2360170']
If you post any more videos like that I might buy one of these to boil my own head in.
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I thought that's what you meant when you said "God preserve us" The good news is that once you've made yourself into a jam, you'll feed the future of the human race, when everyone lives in nuclear blast bunkers during the nuclear holocaust.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1391685814' post='2360086']
The OP has a plater that can do both in "NewtownAbbey" who could advise??
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No, I would never advise going to Newtownabbey

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1391689164' post='2360154']
God preserve us.
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Kilner brand jam sets - the brand of jam making equipment your God uses!

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1391685619' post='2360080']
I just found that rambling and incoherent. I skipped through a lot of it due to that, but he doesn't appear to measure anything or present any objective data. He just messes about with it, strums it and declares "no resonance" or "just the same". Coming from a science background, I don't recognise any science going on here - it just looks sciencey due to the graphs on screen.
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I have to admit, I felt much the same. Nothing much was actually measure, but I can see a little bit of method behind it. It would really need to be done again much more scientifically, ideally. I feel that you really would need to watch it all the way through to find coherence, and I know that it's hard to invest 30 minutes into it.

[quote name='Adrenochrome' timestamp='1391681954' post='2360011']
I wouldn't use lemon oil for further cleaning as it dries the wood.
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Some like lemon oil, personally, I'd rather use linseed oil - it seals the pores of the timber.

I've just found this video. It's very interesting, if very long and boring at parts (no points for a good edit here), but If you manage to survive the entire near-30 minutes of this video, the conclusion is interesting. I'll say no more, and you can make up your own mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTKfHkHZ6qQ

[quote name='crashdesk' timestamp='1391679501' post='2359966']
Different opinions on old, but it's 1978. It's actually a Fender Musicmaster.

Thanks for all the advice.

Does anyone, per chance, know what the metal/finish the bridge/saddles are, just so I know I am applying the right stuff.

Thanks,
Clinton
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Most likely chrome plated steel. Some hardware is painted, and some has no finish, but I'd make a good guess that it's chrome plated steel - that's pretty much the standard. If it's rusted, you won't get rid of the rust - it's always going to look (and be) rusty. Giving it a polish might help the look of it somewhat, but unfortunately, the only way to get rid of rust is to physically get rid of it (i.e. replace the parts). If you want to keep the original parts of the bass, I'm sure you'd be able to send them off somewhere to be sand blasted and replated. If you post some pictures it might be a bit easier for us to give you better help

[quote name='crashdesk' timestamp='1391640526' post='2359764']
I know there are various threads and info scattered around here and the internet at large but I was hoping to get all that in one place, here and for it to be bespoke to my bass.

I have an old music master bass which is in okay condition. Main things are that there are chips out if the body and the laquer is coming off the head.
I don't want to fully restore the bass as this adds character but I do wang to clean it up a bit.

Main areas are:
1. Fret board and frets (rosewood). Just some gunk and tarnished.
2. Bridge including string saddles. There is done rust in these.
3. Tunjng keys and string guide. Slightly rusted.

Any advice in how to clean these up properly would be greatly appreciated :-)

Thanks,
Clinton
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There's a lot of supposed dos and don'ts when it comes to cleaning a fretboard. Personally, I ignore most of them. Grab a bottle of something that you clean your guitars with (Dunlop and D'Addario manufacture these. A few pounds a bottle, usually), squirt some onto the fretboard, with a toothbrush or some other soft bristled brush, give it a good scrub. Don't soak the wood, and don't scrub too hard. Once it's clean, give it a rub down with a paper towel, to get rid of any grime that still lingering, and then seal the wood with linseed oil or lemon oil - this step shouldn't be done too often. Maybe once per year.

As for the rusty parts, there's not much can be done about the rust. Try some t-cut - that might help the look of it.

That's just what I would do. Doubtless somebody will be along soon to call me a halfwit, so I dunno, you can decide yourself whether you want to take my advice or not. Either way, I hope you get it all shined up nicely

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1391628392' post='2359479']
Nope. When he said it's best not to have any rules. Leaves your options open and means no one can have a go at you for being a hypocrite if, off the top of my head, you claim to hate miming but will do it anyway. No rules means you just never get drawn into such a stupid argument in the first place.

C'mon Milty, you didn't think we were going to agree did you?
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No, I didn't think we'd agree. That's the least I expect.

Look, it's really quite simple - If something we feel strongly about comes head to head with something we desire, something has to give. I'm sure most of us have a personal policy of not killing people, but what if, for some bazaar reason, one of your family members was bound and gagged on a chair, with a gun man aiming right at them. You have a gun - what do you do? Uphold your policy of not killing, and allow your family member to be killed, or to save your relative, make an exception?

Obviously, that's quite an extreme example, but I feel it serves it's purpose well.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1391627571' post='2359451']
Sounds like White Cloud got it right then.
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When? You mean when he agreed with me? Oh right...

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1391625830' post='2359430']
Now it was "just a story" Point 15
[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-26045864"]http://www.bbc.co.uk...t-arts-26045864[/url]
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That's interesting. It makes it seem like his management or label are the ones dictating the litigations (if they are even true), or else he is lying. Very hard to tell. It seems quite peculiar.

[quote name='Myke' timestamp='1391622391' post='2359385']
Lights require power too.. And who says other things can't be wheeled on? I mean that stage is pretty massive, it's not like they weren't capable of wheeling on some power supplies

Also, why did they have to be mic'd up, put everything through the PA via DI and it's fine
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Because that's how they set up. There's lots of things they could have done to make setting up easier, but what's easier than any of them is keeping the setup the same, and recording your performance in advance. Even if they had made it that they could set up in a few minutes, they still wouldn't be allowed to. As was said before - they don't want any screw-ups.


[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1391626083' post='2359434']
That's pretty much what principles are aren't they?

We're human beings, we all have many different principles. Often they come into conflict and we have to decide which is more important. That's the trick.

1. We will never mine.
2. We would never turn down the opportunity to be on the TV in front of the whole world.
3. We'll never play a gig that takes longer to set up than we're playing for.
4. We'll never do a free gig.

Some perfectly good principles. But which one is the overriding principle? What order of importance are they?
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Good point.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1391621476' post='2359370']
For goodness sake Milty. If The Who could pull off something like that for a half-time show then it can clearly be done. There might be a million good reasons why the Chilies agreed to mime their spot, and that's their choice, but it wasn't because they were 'forced' into it was it?
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If I ever used to word "forced", then I retract that. Their options were to mime the gig, or not do it at all. They wanted to play the gig, so they had no choice but to mime.

[quote name='Myke' timestamp='1391619556' post='2359338']
So they didn't have enough time to set up a stage at the Super Bowl.. Hmm I remember 2010.. Pretty massive stage show here.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScA2FqJn9ic[/media]
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There's a bit of a difference between setting up a stage, and then rigging up all the equipment that the musicians need. A stage can simply be wheeled onto the grounds, amps and instruments require mics and power, and it all takes time to set up. When I've seen them live, it's usually taken about 30-40 minutes to set up all their gear after the support acts.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1391617447' post='2359293']
Funny sort of principles then. Seems more like a preference to me.
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Every rule has it's exception though, doesn't it? Any one of us could easily say "I'm never going to mime", but what if you were asked to be the entertainment at possibly one of the biggest sports events, and not only that, but you're a massive fan and follower of the sport? Are you going to say "Cheers for the offer, but I have this rule..." or would you think very carefully about whether being made to mime made it so much less desirable as to turn it down?

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1391614608' post='2359246']
Cheers guys! Nearly there now...

[b]QUICK UPDATE:[/b] the bass is going in for a spray job at the end of this week or early next (a subtle tobacco burst around the edges), so I'll be posting up some fresh photos in due course.
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I can't wait to see it all painted up nice like, Mista!

[quote name='wombatboter' timestamp='1391611107' post='2359185']
It's not ELO which you have to amplify...it's just a bass, a guitar and drums (not even keyboards). Seems to be an impossible job apparently.....
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If you have 15 minutes, how long do you want to spend setting up gear? It wouldn't need to be more than 5 minutes, because you'll need another 5 to clear it all away again, leaving you with just 5 minutes to actually entertain people, which is what you're there to do.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1391593163' post='2358823']

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And then in my next comment, I explained how I worded what I was trying to say wrongly.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1391560087' post='2358708']
Lighten up! You've got to admit that there's something more than a little silly about Miltys insistence that Flea hates people who mime (apart from if the gig is REALLY big, and lots of people are watching) and that the RHCP don't mime on principle (apart from when they do)...
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I never insisted that Flea hates people who mime. Have you read the blog? You probably should, instead of lambasting me. I gave a few reasons on the other thread on this topic as to why I thought they mimed, and I was spot on, as confirmed by the blog, which I posted for all to read. If you still have issues, put it in a letter and address it to Flea.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1391557877' post='2358685']
So let me get this right. They don't mime on principle, er, except when they mime because they want to. Got it.
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They don't mime on principle, except when they get a once in a lifetime opportunity, where you aren't allowed to play live. It's not like they abandoned completely their principles - they had a bit of deliberation, and decided that for a few reasons, they would do it. As others have said here, they would do it too. I bet they wouldn't mime down the pub on a Saturday night either.