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Good for you! Congratulations. That's brilliant.

After all that, the guitarist just text to say he has picked a Mackie PPM1008 - which came through his shop. It has a 'Main Sub' out apparently, so I'm back to the original plan of buying one or two 12 inch subs to try! Hopefully if that all goes to plan then new tops will follow. Edited to ask... Is it worth picking up a couple of Behringer BD1200 secondhand for 350 or so, or spending that on one better sub?

[quote name='funkyjimbob' timestamp='1467711453' post='3085490'] Again. It's NEVER getting sold so can we please take the value aspect out of the conversation? Thanks everyone for the advice. I am still going to go ahead with it. Martin Simms is going to be carrying out the work of stripping it then I will decide what to do after that. I think after what Manton has said about Buckeye being soft that satin is going to be the way forward. [/quote] Probably a good idea. If I'd dropped 8.5k on a bass I'd be looking to the best people to have any major work done on it too.

I had a VM which was a really great bass. The pre is quite clean, which I guess is ideal as you want articulation and use pedals to get your tone?

I can't speak of the Aurora, but the VdK cabs are very impressive.

Cheers gents. All very helpful and insightful info. Need to start doing a bit of reading I think before jumping in.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1467723789' post='3085629']. Something like the above allows you to upgrade/upscale piece by piece as the funds allow...# Or bite the bullet, buy a quality rig with subs for £2k or so and sub it out to the band. [/quote] Thanks JT. Very helpful post. The above is the decision to be made I think. I might actually change track and just start acquiring my own PA piece by piece. The guitarist's PA has had a hard life. If I'd have invested years ago I'd have had my money's worth out of it easily, so maybe now it's time to focus on that. I'm doing more gigs and functions where I put the band together for whatever specific event so I should really have my own setup instead of borrowing.

[quote name='Phil Starr' timestamp='1467706656' post='3085438'] This is right. Essentially there is little point in sending the full range signal to the tops and the bins other than to get a 'disco bass' effect. With all the bass going to the tops they are still going to overload at modest levels and at that point turning the subs up will only end up giving you an artificial sounding response curve. you can't use the 80Hz filters either as you would need an unfiltered signal to the bins which you cannot do with your mixer. You need a crossover somewhere in the system. Either buy a crossover, look for a mixer with a crossover to a sub built in, look for an active sub with a stereo crossover built in or buy an amp with a crossover built in. [/quote] Thanks for that. To be honest, I'm probably going to knock the idea on the head and put that money towards buying my own PA. I thought it may be a quick fix and am easy addition, but maybe not as simple as initially thought.

[quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1467706922' post='3085443'] I'd go back a bit further and ask why do you want subs? If you are putting bass guitar, bass drum or keyboards through the PA, fine, but if not I would question their usefulness. [/quote] Yep, that's it. We want to put kick and keys through and perhaps a touch of bass as and when.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1467639832' post='3085043'] If you don't run a monitor on the existing setup, I would look to go powered for your PA and with the PA you mention above, use the Aux (monitor) feed into a powered sub. [/quote] Nice one mate. I wondered if I could plumb it in that way. Cheers.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1467544566' post='3084381'] Hmmm.... subs are a tough call and need research. Also, what comes into the equation in weight and size and this further skews the process. Things like the Mackie thumps aren't good but it depends how discerning you can afford the be. For me, I'd start with RCF but they aren't cheap (705's upwards) but if you only use one...~(which is 'enough' for a pub) you start the compromise. Active just for convenience and the light issue also means space and weight become factors. Yam DXS12/15 are decent ... but be reasonable with your expectation...Kick and depth is fine. If you want serious oomph and performance you will need to look further up the tree. For a pubs, small club function, the 12' subs are ok... but not much further even with 2, IMO. [/quote] Food for thought, thanks. In my old band we had a nice Soundcraft mixer and decent power amp, which is now unused. Maybe I'd be better buying the others and of that and getting a sub to go with that setup. Not too fussed on the size and weight of the sub, without getting ridiculous.

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1467540466' post='3084328'] That peavey mixer is fairly low powered so you can rule out being able to drive passive sub/top pairs with it. Yes you could add active sub(s) but you would still have a full range signal going to the tops which isn't a show stopper but not the most efficient use of the peavey amp. If you have the 12 or 15 inch impulse tops then they are massively over specced for the mixer output power I'd be very temped to bypass the built in amp and drive those tops with a decently powerful external amp, you might find that you dont need subs. [/quote] Ah, ok. That's very interesting. Thank you. The tops are the 12" ones.

I said this in another thread recently; I love having one bass. When I played guitar, at one point I had about a dozen of the things. God knows why. I've had one main gigging bass for about 2 years and really like the consistency and familiarity you get. Plus, it helps me justify spending a filthy amount on one bass - I've still spent less than if I had 4 or 5 cheaper ones...

Hi, My band runs a set of Peavey Impulse tops through a Peavey XR684 powered mixer, this is all the guitarist's gear. I do want to buy my own PA eventually, but short term we'd like to add a sub. I'm a bit lost as to whether I need active or passive though? Active seems like the way to go but would that pair alright with the passive tops and PA? I've no idea! Just looking at cheaper units like Alto and Behringer 12 or 15 inchers.

Dunlop Jazz III and the XL version. Used them for years as a guitarist and are the only picks I use now too.

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1467362151' post='3083046'] Ah! I had forgotten about that. My existing Puma is relatively recent and I really like it, so it seems likely that the Eich's will be similar to that. [/quote] As far as I'm aware, they're pretty well identical. My Puma 900 has cured my amp GAS. It's like my old LM2 but with better EQ.

The banner photo on the homepage; even if you are ugly - it looks wrong. Also, this bit: "..............one helluva rock covers band - playing live all over the South East of England" I'm being fussy, but, an ellipsis only needs three dots. I would use a capital O for 'one' too; as it seems like the start of a sentence. But, that could be argued against. The site is nice and clean and easy to navigate. I just think the homepage could look sharper.

Good to know it fots a 4+1. I've been thinking about a Hiscox for my Sadowsky 5. I emailed them and they can supply additional pads to pad out the case. That's my main concern with standard 'one size fits all' cases, that the bass would rattle around in there.

It's sometimes unavoidable. If you've toured or gigged a lot you will have had to stop fuel or a pee or food on the late drive home... Just get proper insurance and take the necessary precautions where possible.

Had Friday off and then a double header Saturday. An early wedding, which was in a marquee woth torrential rain, thunder and lightening all round. The generator held out and it was all good. Then, a pub we do regularly afterwards, there were two different hen parties out, so it was a bit wild. Loads of singing and dancing though, so great fun! A good set of gigs, but I'm a gig a night guy nowadays! Back to back in one night is a bit of a slog!

Nice one Lozz. If it helps, or hinders... The AMB600 is an utterly brilliant amp. I don't have one as I love my Puma, but having used one; it'd sound great pushing 6x10s.

As far as EQ goes, I'd say the opposite is true. You should always send your signal pre EQ.

Both, if you're selling that Alpher! So many variables, it's hard to give a simple answer. Precision for me, if we're talking traditional Fender. Otherwise, jazz, if we're including the active Jazz V clones.