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I changed my post as I realised I was quoting hearsay. I have a great deal of time for Dave Greenboy's designs so I would not discount them, except that the cost over here is quite high. I also think TKS have the right idea as the Kappalite 3012LF is, in my opinion, not good enough on its own.

As I understand it the Barfaced 12s use an Eminence driver. Hving picked one up it must be a neo.

With regards the adhesive I agree with Phil. When we were discussing the 50L MK2 cab I did some research on glue and the good old bog standard white PVA woodworking glue is as strong or stronger than all the fancy glues. The additives that go into the outdoor and waterproof varieties slightly weaken the bond but are still stronger than the wood.

The new version of the Ashdown RM500 (RM500 EVO II) is due this month and it has been to weight watchers, Much lighter (2kg) and with a few other improvements it should be good. If 500 W is not enough there will be an 800W soon too.

Crazy prices. They have a massive home market that should allow economies of scale but once import duties, distributor margin and dealer margin are added, it makes no sense. i don’t know about the cabinets but the TH500 looks like it was made in someone’s shed.

Yes 125W into 8 ohms and 250W into 4 ohms.

On s serious not the MB115 combo is basically an MB200 in a combo with a 1x15 and tweeter..

What are these lbs things you mentuon.

I consulted Lozz but in the end we decided to use pre recorded tracks for consistancy.

We had a 12" Cab shootout at the recent South West Bass Bash. We are still learing from the results but what we are sure of is that the bass tracks we had were not as good as we would have liked. So we are looking for some unprocessed bass only tracks, 20-30 seconds long. We would prefer Wav or FLAC or uncompressessed AAC. There is no commercial aspect to this and we will only use the tracks to improve our DIY design and test other cabs. So if you have, or know of a bass only tracck that has no copyright issues (PRS is covered) It would be a great help.

Crown (formerly Amcron) have a good reputation but I do not know that particular model. In fact Crown made the first really high powerd amplifier back in the 70s, the DC300.

Agreed but there are other good Class D modules, Pascal, Powersoft as well as some far east companies like Connex and BoYoHo (it really is a company). There are also single chip solutions from TI .ST and NXP plus semi discrete solutions from IR if anyone wants to design and build from scratch.

Or because they both go a similar distance before breaking down?

Matrix make power amps that have a switch mode supply and a class A/B input especially for musicians. However Class D amps are being refined all the time and are now a mature technology. I remember the first solid state amps, they were poor but no one would deny the quality of Trace Elliot power stages. I believe we are now in that stage with Class D.

As that tyoe of PA goes it was superiror to those horrid Bose systems but seemed to lack a bit in the mid range. The bets PA system I have used for years is the UK made Blue Audio M2S http://blue-acoustic.com/m2s-high-power-compact-system/ really sounded like a full range hifi with no effort.

A big thank you from me too to The Scrumpy’s. Fabulous food great organisation and a lovely venue. Thanks for allowing us to use the so called quiet room for the shootout and cab build. Although the shootout did not go quite as planned I think anyone was there st any of the sessions came out with a lot to think about. Phil's 42 minute cab build was a relevation and a big thank you to all that brought cabs for us to try. Andy and Jabba’s basses were even more beautiful in real life and although I swore I would never by an acoustic bass guitar those Gillard put the G in GAS. Finally a big thank you to Ashdown who trusted a random bloke with three amps and a cab. I have no affiliation to Ashdown except that I have a MiBass 220. However a few days with the RM500s shows me that they have really got to grips with Class D heads. As for the RM112T cabinet, we all thought we could happily gig it. I understand the EVO 2 cabs will be an improvement on th EVO model we had. I can’t wait to try that. Other impressions, Barefaced cabs, stupidly light. I can see why people buy them for that alone. More in a fuller report later.

Do we have a date & venue?I am in subject to date/location.

Seriously considering one of these myself. Should have done at the South West Bass Bash next week so looks like my overdraft will be maxed out soon. 500 or 800 that is the question.

I hope to have an HPF on hand too to demonstrate for the doubters among you.

With regard to the 1x12 shootout, I am amazed at the response. What we have discussed is to have maybe three 1x 12 cabs in the room all day and have “guest” spot whereby anytime can bring their cab in to compare against the other three. One cab will be a mid priced commercial cab, one will be one of the Basschat 1x12 cabs one will be a boutique cab and there will be the guest spot. However if we get enough cabs we could change the format slightly. Although each cab will be fed the same signal during the shootouts, there will be a bass amp connected to each for noodling when no shootout is in progress. This will also allow Jabbs, Andy and others to dem their basses outside of the main hall. I have devised a way to take the human element out of the shootout but will disclose that on the day. It looks like we may have a few Barefaced variants, a Greenboy design and an SWR , a TKS , a TC and that should be plenty to go on with. I must reiterate though that the idea is not to prove any particular cab is best but to really find out whether lots of money or lots of time and effort are substantially better than a commercial cab. Looking forward to it immensely.

The 12" cab shootout is taking shape. The plan is to have 3/4 cabs with the ability to replace the 4th cab with anyone's cab upon request. The three staples will be a boutique cab, a BC 1x12 and a commercial 1x12. The boutique cab will be one of Scrumpemike's Barefaced Compact Gen 3. The BC 1x12 will be the latest version with a compression driver and proper crossover, the commercial cab is an Ashdown RM112. A big thank you to Ashdown who have promised us the RM112 as well as four amps. Hopefully we will also have one of Greenboy's classic designs. The bass signals will be recorded to take out the variences of different performances. In between Shootout sessions the amps/cabs will be available for people to try out with their basses or for Jabba or Andy to dem their builds in relative silence. As it is a blind test, all the cabs will be hidden during the tests and we will ask people to grade them. I genuinely want to know if the extra money for a boutique cab or the work for the diy cab is worth it. The test should take about 15 mins and I would be happy to do up to 4 during the day. Full details of the test setup and an explanation of the test methods will be available on the day. We hope to record the sessions and post them on here later. If have a 1x12 you would like to compare please let me know..

I think they use Cliff like Marshall. PM me as I have a couple you can try.

The thing that puts me off Darkglass is the price. I have no doubt they are good but are they as good as the price?

The Mustang has been universally panned as a platform for guitar. Not Sure modified flawed platform is a good start for a design.