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Just bought this. It is the Mk 1 Silver Grill version. According to the guy I bought it from it was gigged 4 times and it is immaculate. He through in a cover and still had the Owner's Manual. I gave home the full £80 asking price and it was a steal. Pics to follow. Problem. I gave hit my global limit for pics. I will upload to my website and link to it later.

I got the model wrong it is an MB115

I have been offered it for £80. Couldvprobsmly get it for £70.

I have the chance of one of these and looking at the specs on the GK site it looks good. However the UK distributor and dealers are offering the MB115 Mk 2 although there is Only one mentioned on the GK site. Is this a case of a problem product "rebranded" to infer the problem is fixed. Has anyone any info on this range?

I love the 201 but have been thinking that all my heroes played on BBOT. Has anyone tried the Wilkinson one?

If you join the Jam Club, the SM212 is under £80 with free delivery.

By going to 18v rather than 9v, assuming the current state the same (unlikely) the available Power is doubled. Some circuits nay use low vintage ICs and 18V may be too much. However most circuits will run happily on 9 or 18V. You need the Circuit Diagram (schematic for those of you that spend too much time on Talkbass). If you can't read a circuit diagram, leave it alone!

Reassuring as I am about to build one.

Entwistle have never had the Neos on the website. They are available on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231141252091

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1469885865' post='3101785'] Input and output wattage have nothing to do with each other, an Ampeg SVT 300 watt head draws 430 watts at 230 volts for example, them valves creating heat and light are wasting power compared to a modern high efficiency amp. A Crown 2500 watt PA amp will take 600 watts at input voltage. [/quote]So it can't be a 2500 watt amp then. The point is that anything you connect to the mains will have a surge current when switched on, several times its operating current. So use the recommended fuse and fir an IEC lead it is 10-13 Amps.

[quote name='JohnDaBass' timestamp='1469727170' post='3100709'] Hi All, I have just ordered Beyma SM212 from Bluearan and I note that some of the sepecs have changed from those used by Phil &Co on the original Basschat 12 thread. Spec now Xmax 8.25 Vd 435ccs Freq range 45- 4000Hz Sensitivity 97dB 1W @ 1m Is it still okay to use in the Basschat Cab? [/quote]I remember Stevie saying that the spec had changed (for the better) although whether that spec is correct I could not say.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1468669664' post='3092518'] I'd very much doubt this... There was quite a slanging match on TB relatively recently... go check it out if you can interested. Might give a few pointers about general standing. And considering a lot of stories--of this type--never make into the public domain, that was quite..indiscreet..?? [/quote]Having worked for manufacturers, I can tell you that their development labs (or cupboards) are littered with competitors products. There are two reasons for this. To learn from other people's ideas and to find weaknesses that the marketing and sales team can use in a subtle way to "dis" the competitor.

[quote name='Paul S' timestamp='1469636242' post='3099947'] I voted 'other' as it depends. I don't always gig a beater bass but I have in the past and would happily again. But if I ever landed a prestigious gig somewhere I would certainly be more conscious of what was on the headstock. So break out the Squier instead of the Westone [/quote]For me it would be the other way around. In my experience most Westones are better than most squeirs.

[quote name='Kev' timestamp='1468094668' post='3088595'] Admittedly, I have only really begun to take notice of Barefaced threads recently, largely because I was looking to buy a bass rig again for the first time in years and I was browsing this part of the forum. So, I missed all the earlier threads on Barefaced (something about handles?) so you may be absolutely right, trolls and rather sad little people who didn't want to see a small guy succeed may have 'started it', so to speak. My comments though are based on recent threads, and in those I stand by my comments; any negativity, constructive or not, is jumped on (as demonstrated by Bassman7755). Some Barefaced owners do need to accept that not everyone likes it when they constantly state how much louder and better designed their cabs are. Equally, people who have never tried Barefaced before (which I'm sure there are several) shouldn't be commenting at all! But the ones who have tried and disliked shouldn't feel the need to discuss their issues with them by PM in fear of being shouted down on here, and I know of a number of members who feel this way. [/quote]Kev the problem is that once company starts to get name, people knock it. There is no doubt the Barefaced make great cabs. So do TKS, Vanderkley, Bergntino etc. It does seem however than in the past certain people have been a bit "noisy" about Barefaced. At one time maybe they were a one trick pony but they now cover the full spectrum for modern to vintage. The handle thread was a joke except it was not funny. Now as for the design, Alex is constantly pushing the boundaries and we are all benefitting from that. You can bet your life that the big boys are pulling apart Barefaced cabs as we write to see what makes them tick. I cannot comment fully as I have no extended experience of Barefaced but I know a good trolling when I see it. I m not great fan of Ampex, Mesa or Markbass, but as the saying goes 3000 Billion flies cannot be wrong. So as long as people stick to their own reasoned opinions, that is OK. Many do not. Comparing Barefaced to TKS or Bergntino is like comparing a Porsche, to a Ferrari to a Bentley. All great cars but not all necessarily right for everyone. The point is to celebrate all of them as they all add to our sum of knowledge.

[quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1467037330' post='3080654'] I found that the Markbass 500w heads were louder than the 800w because the 800w version had a digital power section . I'd get another cab , But It does sound like you may be too loud ? [/quote]It is louder because it is louder not because it it is Class D. Oh and there is no such thing as a digital power amp for audio. Class D uses PWM an analogue modulation/demodulation system.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1467230082' post='3082191'] The power of an amp is partly dissipated in the cabling resistance, which is why speaker cables are better if they're quite 'chunky'. When cabling over greater distances than just to a cab, however, it's very expensive to use chunky cable. Your amp, you say, is a PA amp; as such, it was designed to be able to power speakers laid out across a field, or all around a village hall. For these distances, it's more efficient to 'up' the voltage (and thus reduce the current, for the same power...), which enables long cable runs of lighter cable. The downside (there's always a downside...)..? The speakers have to be able to cope with this high voltage, either by having special windings, or having a 'drop-down' transformer built-in. Do not use this 100v tap, ever, unless doing specialised, long-distance cable runs with adequate speakers, such as those quaint Tannoy horns that used to be dotted around village fairs. Hope this helps. [/quote]100V line systems ate high impedance. A 100W speaker at 100V is 100R (ohms note the the international symbol for ohms has been R for years). If you try to put 100V across a 4R or 8R speaker it could be very expensive. Chunky cables (if the conductors are chunky) are better but if the cable length is from Head to cab, where the Head is say 1 metre for less does not need a massive cable. PA cables go much further and can do with being quite big.

[quote name='LayDownThaFunk' timestamp='1466343999' post='3075087'] Don't do it. [/quote]You have to explain further.

Bumping this as with a third bass in build strings are becoming an issue.

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1463090110' post='3048605'] Tell that one to the Missus [/quote]I did and she did not believe me either!

You do not say which Westone you have but the preamp in the Thunder 1A is awesome. The Thunder 1 is the same bass but passive.

Numark are about to release a digital system I'm the 863/865 MHz band, I will let you know how it performs.

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1462957452' post='3047186'] If you can see the cone moving (rather than just see it go blurry) then youve probably got excessive subsonics which are wasting a lot of amp and speaker headroom without contributing much to the sound. Your eyes and ears are more or less mutually exclusive in the frequencies of movement they can resolve. Hence any movement you can see probably isnt producing useful sound. [/quote]Truer words have been spoken but not many!

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1462532623' post='3043800'] Here we go then - custom OBBM 32cm angled-Speakon to angled-Speakon cable. A normal 1m cable with straight Speakons is too long and too unwieldy - and with this one I can have the rig closer to a wall on a tight stage if necessary. Kudos to Dave (obbm), who was just on his way out the door for a 2-week holiday when I enquired about it yesterday. He made the cable and posted it before leaving. I got it this morning. That's what you call customer service... [/quote]Nice cable but with that short distance it need not be that thick,

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1462998189' post='3047753'] Should also mention their mics - I have the XM8500. Bought as a backup to my Shure SM58. SM58 sold on, the Behringer suits my voice better, being a tad scooped, as my voice is a bit middy. [/quote]XM8500 is a better mic than the SM58. However there are many mics better than the SM58.

[quote name='rmorris' timestamp='1462740028' post='3045404'] Yes - you're right. Without a Q control it is really a semi (or is that a two thirds :-?) parametric or what might be called a 'swept mids' EQ. As a complication Q might be offered as switched between discrete settings (usually just two - Wide or Narrow) or variable on a pot'. Then you have the issue over whether constant Q is preferred and the definition of Q itself. It can get complicated. I guess we could always rely on our ears :-) [/quote]Trying to get a constant Q adds circuit complexity and in some way can restrict the sound. However a variable Q is a must for a PEQ. As for shelving controls, they are OK but to my mind the Bass control should have a tail off ( or HPF function) at the lower end and likewise the Treble should tail off before it gets too high. The reason is that so called shelving controls keep going up in level, way past the useful frequencies.