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[quote name='cameltoe' post='1167463' date='Mar 18 2011, 06:17 PM']No what I actually think is happening here, is a case of 'you don't agree with me then you're wrong'. [color="#000000"]I don't see in any of my posts that I have given the impression that if 'you don't agree with me then you're wrong'. (your quotations, I have not said or thought any such thing).[/color] People have given their opinions, and instead of offering yours (which may be different, and I would respect that) you're are actually doing nothing but arguing with them. [color="#000000"]I don't have an opinion about this instrument and I have simply advised open mindedness and not to believe that this bass is crap just because some people here who have never seen one say so. I'm sorry if you see that as arguing, but it is just my view which I'm as entitled to express as anyone else.[/color] It's incredibily disrespectful, and you're even jumping to conclusions and now making judgments about the characters of the people who have taken the time to offer advice to the OP, just because it doesn't fit in with the way you think. [color="#000000"]I have not meant to disrespect anyone and I offer my sincere apologies to anyone who feels that to be the case - I humbly submit that you may be confusing disagreement with disrespect.[/color] Again, if you have a different opinion, then by all means voice it, but just trying to belittle everyone else's perfectly valid advice to the OP isn't helping anyone. [color="#000000"]Thanks for the advice and I apologise again for offering an alternative and unhelpful view. Fortunately we have your much more balanced and useful insights to counteract the rubbish I spout. [/color] Have you tried this guitar? It's a bit hypocritical if not. [color="#000000"]No - have you?[/color][/quote]

[quote name='clauster' post='1167400' date='Mar 18 2011, 04:54 PM']So you're getting the authentic Jazz Bass experience for a fraction of the cost? Bargian! [/quote] Exactly ! And to my intelligent Norwegian ally I extend warm felicitations - you may also be interested in [url="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=steve"]this[/url]

[quote name='cameltoe' post='1167292' date='Mar 18 2011, 03:33 PM']Sorry Mr. Benton. The stuff I've tried of yours has been a bit crap, yes. I think people are right to voice their opinions, especially considering that's exactly what the OP wanted us to do.[/quote] Have you any experience of this model and if not, which HB 'stuff' are you basing your opinion on? The OP asked for opinions on a particular bass and there are some positive reviews of it in the link I posted. There are other good reviews online and I'm sure there are many happy HB owners beyond the realms of this forum. A friend of mine recently bought a Fender Pino precision and had to return it because the bridge was faulty, but I wouldn't say all Fenders are crap based on that experience.

[quote name='BottomE' post='1167128' date='Mar 18 2011, 01:57 PM']They are crap in the way that they sound sh*te and feel even worse. Or at least the ones i played.[/quote] So you found nothing objectively wrong with the build quality or performance of the few you tried? The sound and feel of any instrument may not suit you, but we are all different and I may not like the feel or sound of your bass - does that make it crap? Every single bass is unique and buying anything blind is always a gamble, but I do not consider the price of this bass to be a huge risk, especially when there is the option to return it.

Harley-Benton: £113.49 delivered on 30 day trial. S/H Squier VMJ from Basschat Marketplace? £180-200 + Plastikote Krystal gloss for neck + brush + wet&dry + time + effort etc. + delivery with no return option. You takes your choice and maybe the used Squier is worth double the new HB, like a used Fender is worth double a new Squier to some people. [quote]There is a local retailer that stocks some of this brand. Not that particular model but some slightly more expensive ones and they are crap. The cheaper one that the OP has mentioned might be brilliant - but i doubt it.[/quote] In what way are they crap ? Some more FFT [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=508&hl=Harley+Benton"]here[/url].

Why is this bass so 'crap' ? Have any of you experts actually played one?

you kids crack me up

[quote name='Biarnel' post='1162589' date='Mar 14 2011, 11:48 PM']Actually its almost 2.6kgs for the Scorcio 32" Superleggero and less than 3kgs for a four strings bass with headstock, like the Iter.[/quote] And absolutely gorgeous

[quote name='Happy Jack' post='1160847' date='Mar 13 2011, 06:41 PM']A highly-entertaining thread, although I am disappointed that no one has yet mentioned Adolf Hitler ... he only annexed the Sudetenland because the Czechs objected to his slap style, y'know. Anyway, while most of this thread was being created last night I was playing a 3-hour gig in a pub in Chiswick. Number of notes slapped = 0. Number of disappointed punters as a result = 0. Number of songs "missing something" = 0. Don't really matter whether or not I hate slap, I just don't need it. I suspect that most people don't.[/quote] 3 hours and not one disappointed punter - you're really not trying are you ! Oh and that Hitler was a moody little burger whatever anyone says.

Proper job: [attachment=74278:holy_bass.jpg]

Handy for smuggling the band's stash too

[url="http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/guitars/bass_guitars/"]Rich Tone[/url]

[url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=117725&hl=Fender+Stu+Hamm+Urge"]This[/url] might do the job, but the neck might be too girlie for you. FWIW I'd just use your precision and see how it goes - we all play better on an instrument we know and love. Plus, just cos it's a function band doesn't mean you have to impersonate the bassist in every band you cover - you can do their songs in your style, with your sound, which I think is a much more honest and enjoyable approach.

I use a cheap and basic Toshiba Satellite A110 laptop with an Alesis multimix 16 desk. I've been using it for over 4 years and recorded countless sessions, often with 16 tracks at once into cubase. Never had any trouble with latency or anything else, apart from when I first started and was using the mini firewire socket on the laptop. I added a PCI card which gives 2 full size firewire sockets and I've not had a problem since doing that. I just finished an album on this set up, using nothing else except some very cheap mics, you can hear some tracks [url="http://myspace.com/tacsiband"]here[/url].

Hi DDM, I'm in an Anglesey band looking for gigs, check us out and let me know if you can offer us anything: [url="http://myspace.com/tacsiband"]Myface[/url] [url="http://facebook.com/tacsiband"]Bassfook[/url] Cheers, Steve. PS: Your myspace says you live in Madrid - is that near Aberystwyth?

[quote name='Johnston' post='1147511' date='Mar 2 2011, 07:01 PM']New thread. Whats the cheapest bass on flats [/quote] I might just win that one

[quote name='Johnston' post='1147493' date='Mar 2 2011, 06:54 PM']do you think so?? When you consider the amount of budget instruments in the market place aimed at the beginners compared to high end gear. Would you not think the market sector the most money gets spent is at the lower end???[/quote] Just cos you're cheap don't mean you can't be a geek. And don't presume everyone on here is rich - I've never spent more than £200 on a bass.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1147405' date='Mar 2 2011, 05:43 PM']I was thinking about this thread earlier for some unknown reason and it occured to me the poll is totally flawed because it's only a poll of BC members who as we know are bass geeks myself included. If we asked every bass player that went in every shop this weekend from young kids to people who have been playing years I think the 25% would fall to a much smaller percentage giving even more weight to the argument of fitting rounds from new.[/quote] This poll is obviously flawed, (like any statistics) but it's just that little bit easier than your suggestion. It would be great if every member of this forum voted, along with every bass player in the world, but realistically this is the closest I can get and I can't force people to vote. It's us geeks who buy the most basses and related gear anyway and how else could I get any idea of people's preferences? I meet a lot of bass players who are not members of this forum and I would say the percentage of flat preferers is similar to that in this poll. Having said that, don't let me stop you asking every bass player in every shop this weekend - and please post the results here so we can compare. You should also bear in mind that some flatwound lovers (me for one) don't bother with music shops because we are not welcome in such places.

[quote name='spinynorman' post='1145732' date='Mar 1 2011, 01:49 PM']Simple rule of thumb when trying a bass in a shop (assuming you can find one to try). If it sounds ok with rounds it'll sound better with flats. [/quote] True. And I agree flats needn't be expensive, I like GHS precisions which I buy from the states [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GHS-PRECISION-BASS-STRINGS-FLATWOUND-M3050-1-SETS-/170554363653#ht_500wt_922"]here[/url] at about £17.00 including postage. There are excellent cheaper brands available too and I don't think the cost is a reason for suppliers not to fit them. I think bass manufacturers and retailers are out of touch with the demand for flats, partly because we all accept that they aren't readily available and don't even ask for them.

[quote name='Johnston' post='1145160' date='Feb 28 2011, 10:34 PM']One way of looking at it is rather than increasing the sales to 25% of the population you are limiting the sale of those 2 basses by 75%. And if you mean 10 jazz basses on a wall?? Around here your lucky to get 10 basses. 1 shop put up a picture of a mix of 10 fenders and squiers on FB someone commented it was an amazing bass section. 10 basses amazing !!! there are players on here with private collections 4 times that.[/quote] Yes, I take your point - I've been silly haven't I................ and in public too

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1145094' date='Feb 28 2011, 09:51 PM']Yes please Wimpy is my favourite BTW All that Aberdeen Angus on the door step going to waste! Keep sending it down here Rich All of this for a plus 1 and put better than I did, Have a gold star! Whats the most common gauge of rounds? I like 40-100 on a four and as close as possible in a five with a 125 B. Thats probably a fair portion of users the same or similar to those wanting flats maybe? 25% say, Can we have 40-100 on all fours as a standard fitment, Probably not but theres more chance of that than flats coming on anything other than the odd bass aimed at that market. I would be in favour of big stores having a 2 P's with a choice to try but then [b]you lot[/b] would only be argueing that the RW board one should have the flats, No no maple and flats is best etc etc etc.[/quote] Now that's just daft and I withdraw my offer of a (veggie) burger . The difference between flats and rounds is much greater than that between different gauges of the same string type. Nobody is asking for that level of choice although now you mention it, I don't see why you couldn't have a couple of jazz basses strung with flats if you had ten on the wall and why not put one set on a maple board and the other on a rosewood? I would call that excellent customer service and very good business sense. The fact is that many shops sell a range of rounds in a variety of gauges, whilst often not stocking any flats at all. I would love to try a new bass with flats instead of trying to imagine how it would sound and feel through the bright scratchy clang from the standard strings. I don't know who you mean by 'you lot', us crazy, wild, veggie munching, flatwound playing freaks you mean ?

So if things change and more players prefer flats than wounds, it's reasonable to expect all basses to come strung with flats and shops to stop selling rounds because it's too much trouble to offer a choice? I find it strange in a world of such overwhelming choice, that I cannot try a Fender bass with the strings it was originally designed for. A new Fender AV jazz bass is around £1600 and you're telling me it's too costly and inconvenient to offer it with a basic choice of strings. Consumer choice is the key to successful business these days and it's no wonder that music retailers are struggling when they are so out of touch with public demand. I don't see any reason not to have a few flatwound strung basses, (whether budget or high end) in any music shop. I remember it was similar in the early 70s when everyone wanted rounds, but most basses came with flats - it took the industry ages to catch on to the demand and I think they are out of touch again, 25% is a considerable market share to ignore and I've a feeling it may be growing.