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I had a couple of guitarists like that. Should suggest they consider becoming musicians if they are serious about the band. Another problem is they tend to either stand beside their cabs or over the top of them, either way, they can't hear themselves. I found that moving them back on the axis of their speakers made them turn down, then turning the bass down on the guitars improved the band's sound tremendously. They could get their sound by increasing the input gain & keeping the output lower or even by adding a valve or dirt pedal. The [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]"I need to drive the amp to get the tone" spiel is overdone by ego driven shredders. Good guitarists know how to make the band sound good (which in turn makes them sound great), just like a good bassist does.[/font][/color] The 4x10 or 8x10 will give you plenty of sound, but bare in mind that having 2 10" drivers horizontally doesn't have as wide a spread of sound as a single line of drivers (unless you have 22" drivers).

I didn't hear any modulation fx. Overdrive, yes. Then it's either been EQ'd a bit or has a static filter on it.

Do you have PA or is your rig covering everything Bass related? If you have PA get whatever you feel comfortable with & like the sound of. If you don't have PA, get 2x10s or 2x12s stacked vertically, as they'll cover more of the audience & they rest of the band.

For a mini synth, try the MicroKorg. For apps, moog Animoog is impressive, but just search for synth apps on Google/YouTube & youll get a whole load to hear.

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1412894466' post='2573193'] Def try adding a second cab, sometimes it's not wattage but speaker area I think I rem somewhere seeing the actual db raise between an amp at 250w compared to 500w isn't double the volume. Not wanting to confuse tho, try an extra cab of similar size (speaker) to yours and see how that goes? Or just by an 810 all your volume worries gone! ;-) Andy [/quote] You need 10 times the watts to get double the volume (given that you're using the same cab). More speaker area or more efficient speakers are the best way to increase DB.

If you know little about what effects do, get a decent multi unit. Then once you learn what's each do, you know what you're gonna need as individual pedals & not buy a load of light up bricks.

Stopping playing. It's a hard decision to make, isn't it. I did the same a few months back. Spent months contemplating, but nothing was getting used. Keep a bass though, I have. You never know when in the future you might want to play again. Oh, and look after your health.

Don't get so caught up on the wattage. That's not where volume comes from. If you get a 4Ω & an 8Ω version of the same cab, the difference between the 300 & 500 watts is 3db. If you run a single 8Ω cab & then add another the same, you get a 6db increase. To get double the volume you need 10 times the wattage into the one cab. The best move is to get the most efficient cabs that you can that have a sound that you like.

I think this section of the forum is an amp/cab/combo buying advice place. You say what sort of criteria & folk pitch with what they've used or tried, meaning that your quest is easier. All you have to do is try out all the options given (& any others that you find) & see which you prefer.

Trying to measure how loud your amp goes using watts is like trying to measure how fast your car goes by using RPM on it's own. Volume is measured in decibels, which is measured as SPL. Watts are heat. To answer your wattage question, the amp with an 8Ω load will average about 300-350 watts (this depends on the instrument, where the amp's dials are set & also which note is being played). If you like your cab & require more volume, then adding another identical cab makes more air but keeps the same sound, which in turn more air makes more volume as it increases the overall SPL.

Overdrive & some EQ. I could get a similar sound with the Moog Bass Murf.

I say push it. Use your ears & if it starts to sound like the cab is struggling, then back off a touch either on the low end or the volume.

Ignore the watts, use your ears. Read up on cabs on here then go try them oh until you find what you like.

It's down to the quality of the driver. The markbass 2x10 is way louder than the Trace Elliot 4x10 I had prior to it & has a much better sound. I wouldn't expect many poor quality cabs to be of use in a loud band regardless of driver config.

Like ez says, the LMII runs as low as 4Ω, so 2 8Ω cabs would bring the load to 4Ω (or 4 16Ω cabs). As for choice of cabs, find one that you like & then when it comes to adding a 2nd, get another the exact same to give you more of what you like. If you think the cab you like lacks bass, then don't get it. Adding another cab that has more bass won't give that cab more bass, it just means you'll get more random variations in sound. There's plenty of threads about driver configurations, so it's your choice. Enjoy your quest & the LMII, they're brilliant little amps.

[quote name='6v6' timestamp='1412383170' post='2568548'] Woah, bit harsh! Watts are related to how load a thing goes, albeit that a 500w amp won't sound massively louder than a 350w amp (you need ten times more power to sound twice as loud) I gigged for a fair while with a 120w combo, so I know it *can* be done, but the OP said "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]loud enough to cope with hard hitting drummers and rock guitars", which has now been revised to pub gigs, in which case any of the amps will probably be fine.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]I suggested the LM and a 2x12, which, uh, is the same as you suggested, so despite me talking rubbish, it would appear we're in violent agreement [/size][/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]FWIW I play pub gigs with a LM3 and a single 8ohm 1x12 and it's adequate, sometimes a little PA support is needed in the bigger places.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=4]Really, how big an amp and cab you go for depends on your attitude to PA support (and the maturity of your drummer) - some folks don't use an amp at all.[/size][/font][/color] [/quote] My apologies. Reading back on that, it did come across rather strong. I need to be more mindful of what I'm typing on my phone whilst baking. I could have worded that much better than I did & not sounded like a wassick.

[quote name='6v6' timestamp='1412374851' post='2568484'] [/size] IMHO this discounts anything less than 500w into 4ohms and most combos, e.g most of your list. [/quote] Sorry, but that's a load of rubbish. Watts don't determine how loud a thing goes. That's the cab's SPL which is rated in decibels. I used to play in a loud 2 guitar band with a shed building drummer using an LMII into 2 10" drivers at 8 ohm & had no trouble being heard (I got asked to turn down more often than to turn up the volume). The LMII into the 2x10 went a lot louder than my Trace Elliott into a 4x10 ever could. I'd say save a little more & get the LMII & find a good 2x10/2x12 with a decent SPL, or if you can get a good combo like a Markbass or similar.

Take your bass to a shop that has the Terror 500 & any of the other amps that you fancy & try them out. Try different cabs out whilst you're there.

When setting your bass to your amp, set the volume on the bass to where you want it (most folk have it full, but some like to back off a little). Then turn your amp down on the gain & master, plug in your bass & play whilst turning up the gain to suit the bass' output. So if using your Markbass, turn until the cliplight comes on, then back it off a touch. Don't touch these again & use the master to control the overall volume. Oh, & good to see you're still alive.

Do people hate Hartke? Or is it just kids who haven't tried them? From the customer service side on here alone, I would try a Hartke rig any day. Why don't you like Ibanez? I'd have one over a Fender anyday (though that's purely an aesthetics thing, as I don't like the top horn on Fender basses). The SR1000 had been my main gigging bass for over 20 years & always got an "I love that bass sound" from fellow musicians".

IT depends on what sort of music you play. I liked mine set really fast after octave, dirt & filter to add movement to those DnB bass sounds.

It also might be worth having a look at the Arturia Keylab 32 or 49. It's a VST & hardware system, so you'll need to take a laptop, but it has plenty of assignable knobs & sliders & has some excellent VSTs of analogue synths. Another good synth that I nearly forgot about is the MicroKorg. Singer in a previous band had one of these & they have some excellent sounds. There's also the DSI MoPho. That should fit your bill. 2 1/2 octaves, fully analogue, programmable & loads of knobs. It's made by the chap who started Sequential Circuits.