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[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1394095267' post='2387790'] Ok so why say it? Just seems to be a way of worrying people who are new to heads and cabs. Andy [/quote] Not trying to worry anyone, just pass on information that can help prolong the life of an amp. Why would you want to not know?

Try some 2x12s, you might get a surprise. Like I said, it's not the 10s that have the sound, but the speaker & the cab design. Barefaced are designed to sound the way they do. I bet the 10s in my Markbass sound hugely different to the ones in your Orange.

If clipping is bothering you, have you considered turning the preamp gain down a touch or is it as low as it can go? Most amp manufacturer's directions for setting the preamp is to play until the clip light comes on at normal playing & then turn it back a small amount & then leave it. Set the volume with the power amp. But like has been said, it's down to how you want to sound.

You should try the PC 4x10 yourself as it may not sound anything like the Orange. The Orange (& the Barefaced) don't sound like they do due to the speaker diameter or layout, but what make of drivers are used & how the cab is designed.

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1394052569' post='2387487'] im sorry but really! your never meant to run 2 cabs? with any amp then? if an amp has a min impedance of 4 ohms its fine to run at 4 ohms, the problem would be if you were running said amp at max volume (digital amps not valve) ie everything at 10 and clipping the amp to hell. which to get the volume the op needs would be the problem here. andy [/quote] No need to apologise. I (nor Bill) never said that you shouldn't run 2 cabs. I said that running the amp at it's minimum impedance is wearing out the components quicker. Yes, amps are tested to take the extra strain on the components, but if there's a 4 ohm & an 8 ohm cab & you're only running the one cab, then it's not worth wearing out your amp that bit more with the 4 ohm cab for something you're probably not going to notice. If you're adding a 2nd cab, then you're gonna hear the difference, so it's probably worth the trade off.

For the bass sound that I want, it's an octaver into a filter splitter that splits the lows to a clean channel & the rest go through distortion then into a low pass filter & topped with a dollop of chorus. So that's Boss OC3, Moog MF105b, PSK SDS2, Moog MF101 & Boss CE2. There's also a routing pedal that I made that is an fx loop & 2 channel mixer which allows me to switch the OC3, MF105b & the SDS2 all on/off at once.

[quote name='Handwired' timestamp='1394001009' post='2386690'] Not the same at all. [/quote] How so? Here's exactly how BFM described the increased current draw when running an amp to it's minimum impedance... [quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Rule # 1 of loudspeaker design: There's no such thing as a free lunch. What you gain with respect to voltage sensitivity with a lower impedance load comes at the expense of increased current draw. To preserve a balance between voltage and current headroom you should avoid running an amp into its minimum rated impedance load.[/quote][/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Why?[/font][/color] [quote]Potential for clipping, and heat, which shortens the life of amp components. Think of an amp as an engine. You wouldn't want to drive a car with the RPMs always red-lined.[/quote] Given that he knows his stuff, I've no reason not to believe him.

Is that with the Thunderfunk running them?

Do you find any volume difference between the 1x12 & the 2x12 when using both?

I had TI Jazz flats, now have D'Addario Chromes. Had I only ever had the Chromes, then they would be excellent, but the TI's are totes amazeballs! The only reason that I changed was I successfully broke the D string whilst playing "Hit Me" & couldn't afford another set or source a single "D". The Chromes are quite bright for flats, but they do dull down (or maybe I was used to hearing 3 1/2 year old flats).

I'd never go back to rounds. But it depends on the sound you want.

The Moog is a fantastic sounding filter. I have it & use the expression pedal to control the cutoff & also have a control on my bass to adjust the auto follower if I decide I want some funk in a song.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1393761610' post='2384033'] Running an amp at "full load" is what it is designed to do and should not represent a "strain". [/quote] That's what one would hope, but in reality, it doesn't work like that. As BFM says, "it's like running your car to the red line all the time".

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1393748367' post='2383861'] There is no "extra strain" on an amp running at 4 ohms! [/quote] Running an amp at full load means there's more heat going through your amp's components, which is the trade off. I'd call that "extra strain".

I used to have a Trace Elliot 4x10 combo. Replaced it with a MarkBass 2x10 combo & it put a big smile on my face.

If you're trying to keep the budget down, then Genz Benz are worth a look just now. I'd be trying gear out though to see what you like, there's a lot of good gear out there at all sorts of prices. I would always aim to get an 8 ohm cab unless the one you want is only made in 4 ohm. The difference in volume is so little that it's not worth restricting your future or the extra strain on the amp.

Great pic & I've gotten inspiration from it. Every month I say I'm gonna get an entry & every month I do make a start, but never get time to finish. I've made a start, hopefully I'll get it finished this week!

If you can get a MarkBass 2x10 in budget, then defo worth a shout.

[quote name='Horizontalste' timestamp='1393692116' post='2383437'] I use an Alesis Multimix 4 & it will take a guitar or bass straight into the channel if you select the guitar/bass switch so no need for a di. It also seconds as a Usb interface too although I haven't used this feature so can't comment really. Sorry for the slight thread deviations op [/quote] I used a iMultimix 8 for a short while, but I got better results going from the amp direct to the mac than I did through the mixer/interface using the USB.

The only right order is the order that is right for you! I put the EQ in the middle & the compressor never made it.

I tried an American Jazz & it certainly didn't suffer from a lack of low end umph. Made me consider getting a Fender too!

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1393593846' post='2382338'] One use for it you may find is as a filter that doesnt open, but knocks of top (or bottom if you can do that with it) end, by setting the sensitivity so it never opens. Not really getting the most from it like that though! [/quote] But if that's the sound that you want, then it's the right pedal. A prime example there is my Bass Murf. I rarely use the sequencer section on it, but I do use it to split the frequencies to sub 110hz on one channel & everything above to the other, which then goes through more dirt & a filter (& a chorus too). It also adds a little drive to the overall sound, which is nice. My filter is mainly used to cut the top end & bring it in with an expression pedal, but I use the envelope follower on a couple of tracks.

I'd 2nd going for an 8Ω cab. Never used an Eden cab, so can't comment further, but I'm happy with Markbass.

The way things are going with me musically, I'm tempted to go back to piano/keys. Get a good keyboard & you can get some excellent bass sounds too! I'm a great believer in learning as many types of instrument as possible, that way you can understand what your part needs to do in the song.

If you can live without the built in tuner (you could plug a tuner into the tuner out), then the Markbass 2x10 combo might be worth a shout.