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What was making the farting noise, cab or drivers? Was it on a specific note & did you try backing off on the lower frequencies?

The last time I went ina shop to try out a bass was last year. I wanted to try a fretless, so the chap plugged it in & passed it to me. I sat there with it on my lap for @ 5 minutes just staring at the neck until a little drool appeared at the right corner of my mouth. I gave it a little wipe & then proceeded to play just a couple of random notes up & down the fretboard to check for intonation & fretbuzz, followed by holding the bass flat up to my eye & looking along the fretboard to check it was straight. I then attempted some harmonics, chords & a spot of tapping & that's when I got chucked out the shop.

So far I've found a guitarist through joinmyband, a singer through banxmix & a drummer through gumtree. Just looking for a keys player. Maybe on here?

[quote name='jackers' timestamp='1358074608' post='1932550'] Ok, so if I go for an 8 Ohm cab I would like it to be a 410 or 210 I reckon. If I get a 410, would adding a 210 from the same manufacturer as a second cab be a good idea? or should I just go with 2 of the same cab. [/quote] It's advisable to get 2 of the same cab, but use your ears. Adding a 2x10 to a 4x10 would mean that the 2x10 would be getting 150 watts to 2 10" drivers & the other 150w is spread across the other 4.

[quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1357885364' post='1929969'] I am a jazz musician. It' s what I do. [/quote] Aren't they called incidentals? I've no idea how many mistakes I make at a gig, it's been a year since my last one. Hopefully let you know soon though!

I got a good sturdy case from FlightcaseWarehouse for less than that. It's designed to go the opposite way (pedals in the shallow side) & has a plain black board with some Velcro to get you started. I put some feet on the back edge of the board to angle it & got some heavy duty Velcro & that was me. Thomann do a 30 day money back if you're not happy with it.

See if you can sell it to a boy racer & have a look in the "Cabs For Sale" section on here. Should be able to get something better for less than £100?

Well here's a crap pic of mine to make you feel better... Starting a new band & our 1st get together is on Friday, so I'll get to put the OC3 to good use.

[quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1357986256' post='1931297'] Doing a last minute recording session today at Derby University, laying down one of our funky breakbeat tracks. It's one of simplest tunes we play and this is the stuff I need to play it... (Messy I know...) Oh... [/quote] Good to see you've gotten rid of the OCD & left some spaghetti. Now I don't feel so bad!

You make some interesting reading there mr Starr & I like that you've backed things up with reasons. I think when it comes to mixing drivers, you should use your ears & go for what sounds good to you. Some rigs sound good with mixed drivers, some don't. In most instances it is going to be unpredictable (not necessarily in a bad way) whereas from what I've read & heard so far, keeping them the same means that you're most likely going to get a similar sound at each venue. I'm no expert on speakers, but I do like to know the reasons behind things when I'm setting things up so I can get a good sound & know where to look if it doesn't sound right.

One of my dad's friends has a function band & they all play direct into the PA with a couple of wedge foldbacks. Silddx does the same but with IEM (AFAIK).

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1357899414' post='1930135'] Thinking about this again, won't the ripples from two stones dropped in water always interfere with each other as they spread out, leading to phasing issues, regardless of the size of the stones? If so, that would suggest that any phasing issues is more to do with multiple speakers not occupying the same point in space and might also suggest that a single large speaker would be better than multiple small ones . . . except that's where the mass of the cone might become too detrimental to the speaker performance. I guess it's all about getting the best trade-off from a number of conflicting parameters. [/quote] Here's where you should keep the drivers on the vertical. Think of your soundwaves as ripples, following the same patterns. You have vertical drivers all the same size, then you have soundwaves all the same size moving across the horizontal plane & the vertical plane has a narrower dispersion. The cone size only determines how much air it can move, not how much of a certain frequency it has. So a vertical 2x15 would be a pretty loud rig. However, a vertical 4x10 array (2 2x10s) will have a wider dispersion on the horizontal plane (the smaller the driver, the wider the dispersion). How much this matters to you is how well your band & audience are hearing you fully. If you're using PA with foldback, then your cab is just for your personal sound. An 8x10 (or 4x10) has the same dispersion as using 20" drivers. So the volume drops the minute you're not directly in front of it. Hope that helps a little. Barefaced's website is worth a read & he probably explains things much better than I do (I should hope so!).

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1357859846' post='1929826'] But Barefaced, Bergantino and Mesa Boogie do. So mixed speakers can work if you get the right ones. [/quote] I agree. Some companies do spend a bit of time designing their cabs so some can be mixed. Sadly, a lot don't & just make what they think will sell (& sometimes it actually works, sound wise too).

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1357857768' post='1929777'] I wasn't excluding crossovers or bi-amping, just thinking about the overall function of converting electrical waveforms back into sound. Perhaps it's all just a matter of compromise. Some Hifi speakers have dual drivers, some have three, some have more. Perhaps the ultimate would be a crossover filter with 20,000 outputs, one for each frequency, driving 20,000 amplifiers and 20,000 drivers? Then each 'channel' could be optimised for it's specific frequency and there would be no interference between them. OK, a ridiculous extreme, but isn't that the basic idea about using multiple drivers in the first place? [/quote] There isn't really a need for the drivers to be different sizes for any other reason than "looks". If you look at a good set of monitors or hifi speakers, they're a vertical array. Some have a driver for the midrange, in this sort of instance there's a crossover that filters "bass" frequencies to the "woofer" & has a small overlap & filters the higher "mids" to a smaller driver (smaller drivers have a wider dispersion). If you Google "Audiophile speakers" or "studio monitors", you'll find that there's very few with different sized drivers. Someone else said something along the lines of "Picture soundwaves like water ripples. Drop a big stone & a small stone in the water at the same time & you get different sized ripples moving at different speeds & hitting off one another. Drop 2 the same size & all the ripples move together". Makes sense to me.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1357856343' post='1929742'] If mixing speaker sizes is such a bad thing, how come almost all Hifi speakers/professional monitors are built with different size drivers? [/quote] Most good ones don't unless they have crossovers or bi amped (are you counting tweeters as drivers?).

I'd suggest 2 decent 2x10s. Stack em vertically & you should have a decent rig.

They're B&C drivers. The orange cones can't be bought over the shelf, but the black ones can (same driver). [url="http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?manufacturer=B_!amp!_C&masthead=Loudspeaker_Drivers&subheadnew=10_Inch_Drivers"]http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?manufacturer=B_!amp!_C&masthead=Loudspeaker_Drivers&subheadnew=10_Inch_Drivers[/url]

I imagine it would be quite a chore if you don't have a car. Maybe if you find a shop that has the same head as you have & a selection of cabs that you like, then jump on a train (Warwick could be a good day out as there's a good shop there). They might even have your bass to save taking it.

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1357766205' post='1928195'] Love the debate on whats an effect. IMO it all is, [i]if that is how you use it or intend it to be perceived[/i], how you play the bass can be an effect: thumb and palm muting for a section, plucking in a different place to change timbre rather than stomping on an eq pedal, striking the string with your thumb, playing with a pick on the chorus, any of it at all really, using the volume knob to sweep notes in to get a bowing effect. Are these not all really 'effects'? [/quote] The OP did say at the start this thread only refers to dedicated FX pedals. I never used to use any fx (other than me>bass>amp>cab). Was always in rock bands. Then when I co founded an Americana/Folk/Jazz project, I found myself using a multi fx pedal quite a lot as it was just me, a guitarist/singer & a mandolin/tin whistle/bodhran. Now I'm starting a new Breakbeat/Acid Jazz band & the sounds I'll use range from plain ole bass right through to using all my pedals to sound like a subby synth. It's subject to the song & style of music. I think if you're fully against effects you're possibly either old, unimaginitave, or just in a band that doesn't require any bass effects.

Use your ears & go try as many cabs as you can. The so called "matching cab" is the one that sounds good to you. I don't like Ashdown or Ampeg. I don't hate them, but there's many that I'd choose over them. But then the fine chap above likes his Ashdowns, neither of us are wrong.

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1357757952' post='1927991'] MBX cabs are awesome. Loads of punch and ultra-lightweight. Seeing as you'll only be putting 110w maximum through it it'll swallow it all up and never sound overworked. I do wish GK'd do a vintage styled version ofthe MBX/MBE range though; not keen on the silver grille. Though I suppose it's easy enough to paint black if one cares that much. Truckstop [/quote] Or you could put some vintage grey or black cloth over it.

I'd ask one of the guys here... [url="http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/265330523479274/"]http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/265330523479274/[/url] Possibly Will Cady or Nathan Navarro as they're the 2 SA guys (& very helpful too).

I think it's all about money & how much thay can fit into as small a space as they can. Buy stomp boxes & you can space them out to your heart's content!

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1357674064' post='1926557'] im confused? a 610 is only in most cases a speaker lower than the 210's stacked no? andy [/quote] A 6x10 (or the 4x10 with a 2x10 popped on top) has drivers side by side (regardless of what way you stack it, unless you put the 2x10 vertically on the 4x10). Putting drivers on the vertical plane narrows the dispersion. The wider the driver, the narrower the dispersion. Putting 2 10" drivers next to each other has the same dispersion as a 20" driver. You don't need to worry too much about vertical dispersion, infact it's probably beneficial if the sound isn't bouncing off the ceiling (like a single horizontal 2x10 would possibly do).

A 2x10 + 4x10 (or a 6x10) would have more straight in front volume but with a poorer dispersion than the vertical stack. (that's assuming that the cabs are all from the same manufacturer's range).