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Re: Flats. works just fine on a filter. I've just finished playing about with my rig & can forget how much fun using the follower on the filter is. Bass straight into filter & wap the follower up & funk central here we come, click the loop & on comes octave & dirt, the follower dies & the expression pedal takes over. Synthy goodness! My filter is the Moog, so a bit more than £100 2nd hand but worth every penny.

It really does depend what you're wanting it to do. Soundblox BEF is worth looking at & you get a hothand controller for it too (for added coolness).

[quote name='BluRay' timestamp='1357285835' post='1920267'] I think it can make quite a difference. I have both ABM 410 and 2x ABM 210 cabs. All cabs are 8 ohms and contain 150w speakers. The 2 x 210 combination (running at 4 ohms) is significantly louder than the 410 on its own. [/quote] I would be inclined to say that it's not so much to do with the watts or ohms, but the cabs & their sensitivity. A more accurate comparison would be if you had a 4 & an 8 ohm of each 2x10 & could A/B them.

I use Velcro Heavy Duty. Got it from Hobbycraft. Good sticky glue & the pedals won't move unless you want them to.

I'd go for 2 x 210 cabs too. 8 ohm ones (you won't hear a difference between 8 & 4 ohm cabs). Getting the "full power" from your amp doesn't give you more volume.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1357254216' post='1920063'] I dunno, that just makes me think you are a hipster tbh. I don't mean that to be rude, but i have to say, thinking that any Ritter looks better than a Fender? well, i'm not exactly a Fender fan-boy, i'll play anything that looks, feels and sounds right, and the fender jazz just ticks all those boxes for me. I went and bought my very first bass myself. Hadn't a clue about basses, couldn't tell a fender from a... anything, i had no idea, didn't even know what a jazz or a P was, but i saw the Jazz bass (it was a copy, so i didn't know it was a Fender) and i liked it. It looked good (which was all i could comment on at the time). Have to say, i love the look of the jazz bass, and i think it's as close to perfect looking as a bass could get in my view. The thing about calling you a hipster was just because it's something a hipster would say- "I don't like Fender.... Too mainstream. I like Ritter, they're so underground they live in China." [/quote] I don't dislike Fenders because they're mainstream, it's that hideous top horn. Ritters on the other hand tick all my boxes, except for the price. I was gutted after seeing my first Ritter & hoping that I could afford one. I like the Warwick Corvette, but not the Streamer for the very same reasons. Some folk like Bjork, some folk like Abba. None is wrong & both are great songwriters (though I can't stand Abba, I like their songs).

Classic is something either groundbreaking from the past or has gained a large following (or both). The Ford GT40 had a name behind it for all the Ford fans & was a groundbreaking car in it's day. The Fairlight CMI is a classic as it was the original DAW with remote keyboard. Fenders have a large following as they've been on the go for yonks & people know what it's gonna sound like before they buy it, so that makes them classics. The Ritter Cora is a far nicer looking bass than the Fender Jazz (IMO of course) & start at @ £4k & Jens refers to the sound as "that classic Jazz sound". So therefore the Cora, as nice as it is, is not a classic & probably never will be. I wouldn't have a classic bass as I don't like the "classic" shape.

Check what ohms the 2x12 is as a lot are 4 ohm (which could help turn your amp into a smoke machine). You want an 8 ohm cab. Like Barkin said, adding another Ashdown 15 will give you more of the same. It's not the 15 speaker that sounds like that, it's the Ashdown sound. Some call it warm, some call it muddy, some call it wooly. Ideally, if you're not happy with it, you should sell it & get something that you like the sound of & then add more of the same drivers if needed.

[quote name='bluejay' timestamp='1357210178' post='1919019'] Finally - and I repeat myself - it would be good to be able to buy/download all the songs taking part in the comp every month. [/quote] You can download mine for free if you actually like them!

Well done BK with a great song (& very good vocals). It summed the pic up really well & I like the choir at the end. Looking forward to your choice of pic.

I think the hardest part of getting that good stage sound is trying to convince the guitarist that he doesn't need to be cranked to 11. Once he realises he doesn't have to drown out the snare & crash, then getting everything else to sound good on stage is a much easier job. Ideally, all the SE should need to do is amplify the band's sound. If the band doesn't have a good stage sound then I think the term "polishing a jobby" would apply.

That's an old video. Still good! I believe he just used a Boss SYB-3 & a multi fx unit (if my memory serves me right).

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1357053799' post='1916823'] You don't want the bass to bleed at all...but it is very hard to control, so the less amount the better. This is why bass heavy cabs aren't really wanted on large stages with lots of mics. The bass is going to get there anyway but you want to cut the amount down if poss... This is also why engrs would not want cabs on stage ...in an ideal world...but their approach is the get the best sound which isnt unreasonable in itself but at odds with a lot of the musos that have to create it. So, it becomes a game of managing your 'compromises' [/quote] I couldn't agree more. But why a sealed 8x10? For a stage with full PA & foldback, isn't the rig just for looks? I often find a stage where the PA isn't ample to put the bass through, the venue doesn't usually warrant a fridge on stage & a 2x10 or 2x12 would give a better sound to both the band & the audience. I used to play a couple of venues with just vocal PA, 1 guitar through an AC30, the other through a Marshall 1/2 stack & a hard hitting drummer (though unmic'd) to a crowd of 2-300 & using my 2x10 was plentiful (had to put auralex foam or similar on the big wooden stages though).

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1357049199' post='1916718'] It won't. The Fridge is the 'industry standard' for the same reason the SM 58 mic is: you can always count on them to work. They're ubiquitous on TV and in venues where the kit is either owned by the house or rented. Neither is perfect in every application, but both will function in any application. [/quote] I can understand a venue wanting a rig to deal with a multitude of styles, but for a bassist's own kit? I suppose it might be down to personal taste (or beliefs).

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1357116735' post='1917556'] They are a bit like ford escorts in that they are ancient and everyone still loves the look and sound (well, not everybody). I can't see why people would hate on fenders. It seems to be usually because they are tired of the designs (understandable). But, like an old escort (my dad is literally a MK1/2 Escort guru), they have a big following for a good reason. Personally, i love an escort and a decent fender. Can't imagine what it would be like to hate them. Peugeots on the other hand.... [/quote] I don't hate Fenders, I'm just not too keen on the body design. Same with Ford Escorts, good value cars, but they're not aesthetically pleasing to me.

IMO Fenders are a bit like ford escorts, they sure ain't pretty! A lot of the design looks fine, but some bits are just "why!". Like that top horn. Though they do sound good enough, there's basses with better sounds (again IMO). I would say an Ibanez SR would cover the majority of sounds, but I wouldn't say it's a classic bass.

If you think something is missing from your 8x10, try some other cabs. Maybe Orange are not very good at making bass cabs, I've not tried them. Does it have to be an 8x10 or 2x15? What about trying a stack of 2 2x12s or 2 2x10s if you have a need for that much volume? I used to have a Marshall 2x15 rig about 20 years ago. Good sound (not as good as my sound now, but a bit louder), but weighed quite a bit which wasn't an issue back then.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1357041931' post='1916596'] which is why the industry standard is a sealed 810... which should handle the bass bleed better, IMO. [/quote] I don't get it. Why would a sealed 8x10 handle bass bleed better than any other non sealed cab of any other configuration?

Finally listened to everyone's entries & again, very hard to choose just one.

Get a Gramma pad for these sort of venues. Big halls are easy to get boomy & it'll help prevent it.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1356966337' post='1915746'] I can't see this at all. 30watts and a shed-builder..?? I can't see 30 watts getting past the drummer and certainly not a loud drumer so no one else will be able to hear and play to you. This does not augur well for a playing band. You may just about get away with it...in a fashion..if you are squeezed into a corner but 30 watts..?? There is nothing you can do to EQ more watts out of that...you may be able to run the amp so bass light..but why would you play with that...?? the sound would be awful, or at best functional...but as for the band playing to it..? It would not be my way of approaching playing in a band .. but if you can make it work, good luck. [/quote] PA support handles all the lower frequencies, so they can be rolled back from the combo a good bit. Watts have little to do with the overall volume.

I've used a 30watt 1x12 combo for backline at a loud gig with PA support & a shed building drummer & had no trouble with on stage volume. It's about placement & EQing. Don't expect miracles, but a 1x10 combo would be ample for monitoring.

Like bobbass4k says, THAT tone is different for everyone. My "THAT tone" just now requires a couple of moog pedals, some dirt & an octaver. But I'm starting an Acid Jazz/Breakbeat band, so this suits my needs perfectly.

[quote name='Stephen Houghton' timestamp='1356914180' post='1915200'] Whats happening to the voting, its gonna be January soon and this ends then doesnt it? [/quote] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/195165-december-composition-competition-voting-time/"]It's here.[/url]

I'm a 1 bass guy too. My trusty Ibby SR1000 has never let me down at a gig. I did have an issue not long ago with the active electrics at home, so I ripped them out & rewired it as passive. I wouldn't mind a 5 string fretless though.