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I'd add the Hartke 15 cab rather than the 2x10. Would give you plenty of volume.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1343820209' post='1755652'] If I do play without a PA in the future, I'd be more concerned about how the mix is than the specifics of bass tone in every corner of the room. [/quote] Quite right. I do too. But isn't it useful to know that where your 4x10 may sound amazeballs at X it may sound duff at Y & then you can check & do something about it if it does? It might be an onstage scenario where you have no foldback & the drummer or one of the other musicians think you sound awful (due to their axis from the cab). That way you have some knowledge to find a remedy... Move the other musician to a better position of course!

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1343813795' post='1755492'] I don't think any of my gigs in the past 4-5 years or so, maybe even further back, have had no PA support. If they have no PA for the instruments and just use it for vocals it tends to sound messy anyway, no matter what cab you use. See, thing is, despite it's limitations, vinyl does sound great. [/quote] I've played quite a lot of venues where there isn't room for a decent PA that could take some bass & had to rely on my gear to do the job & had good results. Flea wouldn't have a need to worry about his cab configuration (or even to have any cabs on stage) as the PA & foldback would do all is required. Unfortunately, not all of us on here have that luxury.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1343809975' post='1755433'] Vinyl. [/quote] I like vinyl, but it's downside is it's easily scratched & it jumps when you try playing it in a moving car. I'm not saying 4x10s are rubbish. Far from it. But doesn't it make sense to have the knowledge about what a cab can & can't do & how well it projects across the audience (especially if your backline is your only sound source)? Ideally you'd just have a wall of 10" drivers taking up the full wall. Then there'd be no dispersion issues.

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1343806258' post='1755364'] Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure 210s aren't a new invention. [/quote] Nope, but our understanding of speakers has moved on from what it was in the 60s.

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1343805653' post='1755355']The music industry has used 410s as standard for decades, I'm sure if they've endured this long, they're capable of doing the job. [/quote] They endured cassette tapes for a long time too. But CDs are a better medium.

[quote name='BassPimp66' timestamp='1343775445' post='1755225'] I love 4x10s. Always have. Always will. The one thing that trouble me with a 4x10 is picking the impedance. I go for 8 ohms in 2x10 and 1x15, so that I can restack them to a 4 Ohms, in any combinations, to include another cab at the venue, etc... With 4x10, I dunno if a 8 Ohms is a good idea, to leave room for another 8 Ohms cab. Or if I should go with 4 Ohms directly, since I have almost never had to add anything to a 4x10. I am conflicted, I know... [/quote] If you get a choice of 8Ω or 4Ω versions of the cab you want, why would you want the 4Ω?

Please don't show me things like that. Now I want to build a modular system!

GigRig stuff would probably be worth looking at for powering things. As for order, I'd be inclined to put it in the same order as Woody says, but there is no "right" order. Play about with it & find what sound You like. Have fun!

[quote name='wingnutkj' timestamp='1343761803' post='1754892'] Meh - the naysayers are idiots - Glasgow's a great place for a wander. From Central station, head down Jamaica Street to Kenny's Music for a look round, then nip along Howard Street, up through St Enoch Square to House of Fraser. When the missus is distracted by the shiny things, nip out another exit and bolt up Buchanan Street, hang a right at All Saints, through Royal Exchange Square (passing the Gallery of Modern Art and the statue of the Duke of Roadcone) and along Ingram Street. Down Glassford Street at, and into Garth Street for Merchant City Music. From there, down towards Argyle Street, then east a bit and down King Street for a pint at the 13th Note, then across the road to Strung Out Guitars, into Mono for another pint and a look round Monorail records, then back up onto Argyle Street for Guitar Guitar. Swiftly back along Argyle St to Buchanan St again where the missus will be waiting irately at the corner. Tell her you got lost on the way to the changing rooms. [/quote] That's just what I did on Tuesday! Then had lunch in Princess Square (across from Yo Sushi on Buchanan St). When you're down the Trongate end (Strung Out & GuitarGuitar), you could pop to the Barras if you like junk stalls. There's the science centre, Kelvingrove & Clydeside to take the Mrs for a loving stroll in the afternoon to make up with her.

[quote name='dudewheresmybass' timestamp='1343736346' post='1754323'] Fair points about the auto wahs, I was trying to make a sweeping generalisation to emphasise the differences between pedal and actual wah. Point taken! [/quote] Sorry buddy, I didn't mean that to come across picky. & you're correct that some filters are static too.

[quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1343735290' post='1754306'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I've just received an item from Thomann that is faultless.[/font][/color] [/quote] Congratulations! I did the same thing a couple of months back. You know what I found amazing? Postage from Germany to Scotland is significantly quicker than from England to Scotland (come to think of it, it's qicker than local postage here too!).

Also worth pointing out is that some filters can be controlled with an external source (rocking foot pedal, hand controller, other device). What sort of sound are you after?

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1343729231' post='1754156'] Yes, of course the seller is responsible, but IMO if a product is faulty, he is not to blame. [/quote] I'm in agreement with that.

[quote name='redstriper' timestamp='1343688391' post='1753860'] I thought this legislation allowed 7 days for cancellation not 30 and that return postage costs are not automatically covered. This would mean that Thomman are outperforming their legal minimum duty by a considerable margin. [/quote] Erm, not really, if it's a faulty item.

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1343674500' post='1753572'] When there is a faulty product then, IMO, the blame is with the manufacturer... unless the suggestion is that Thomann are deliberately buying in cheaper, faulty products. [/quote] Sale of Goods Act states that the seller would be responsible for faulty goods sold. The customer would not go to the manufacturer unless it was purchased directly from them. You are covered for upto 6 years against any manufacturing defects (such as parts not suitable for the job) & would be entitled to a repair, replacement or partial refund. If it's within the first 6 months, then it's up to the seller to prove that it's not a manufacturing defect.

We used to play a beer festival. Would start about 5 pm & finish about midnight with a couple of breaks. We have about 40 original songs & a good amount of covers to hand & like your band, take a song & jam it. Singer is a great front man too. What we would do for the last hour or so is invite some of the audience to join us, whether that be a couple of girls to come up & sing, someone to pick up a guitar or just someone to play tambourine. It gets the audience more involved. We took a buskers songbook (one of those large paged things with chords & lyrics) & we'd ask the audience member to choose something from it that they know & we would improvise from it. Then to finish the evening off, play 2-3 good dancing tunes (often something from the very start of the gig).

It really depends on what you're after. Here's some ideas... Mutron 3leaf clover Groove Regulator Digitech Bass Synth Wah Moog MF-101 Iron Ether Xerograph Source Audio Bass Envelope Filter There's loads more too.

I find as long as you have decent quality cable & jack plugs then there's little point in spending more than £30 for a well made lead. When your band is playing, do you think anyone in the audience is gonna notice the tone difference between a £20 & a £120 lead?

Filter wise, a lot of Dubstep bassists use the Source Audio BEF (& Pro) with the Hot Hand. I use the Moog LPF with an Exp pedal & Shep's just changed his set up (though he uses the Moog MP-201 to get his wubs going). I also know that good results can be had from the Line 6 M9/M13. Secret to the sound is Octave &--#62; Fuzz &--#62; Filter & add whatever else you want to make it your sound (chorus, bitcrusher, phaser or whatever). [url="http://www.facebook.com/groups/265330523479274/"]Organic Bass Wobble[/url] is a good source of info & discussion. Here's a video of some bassists wobbling (I'm in there somewhere)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTmAnGzNQxE&feature=g-u-u

[quote name='Kesh' timestamp='1343604203' post='1752715'] 18 posts on mixing cabs and no one has talked about phase. [/quote] That usually gets discussed at about page 3.

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1343594538' post='1752569'] The amount of air moved is determined by the driver displacement, not cone area. Some tens have more displacement than some fifteens, so how low/loud you want to go isn't a matter of cone size. . [/quote] Fair point. Though with a lot of manufacturers, they seem to allow diameter to determine displacement.

[quote name='Pbassred' timestamp='1343591996' post='1752517'] Are you typing for practise of making a point here? Is it that 10" is obviously better, or that there obviously is NO difference? There is so much debate, Its difficult to know which side of the polarised debate you are on! [/quote] My point is that the "argument" is pointless. The benefit a 15 has over a 10 is that it moves more air (the surface area of cone is more). The benefit a 10 has over a 15 is better dispersion (how much sound gets to your audience on the horizontal axis). Drivers usually cover the same frequency range regardless of size, it's up to the cab designer to get the best from it. If you want to know more, have a look at either Barefaced's or Bill Fitzmaurice's site.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1343577267' post='1752248'] I like pork. [/quote] Pork's good, but beef is better (though you can't beat a bacon butty for brekky).

Edited because the iPad version of BC does things that are a bit random!