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[quote name='blackmn90' timestamp='1338501197' post='1675658']I'll make sure to pop into andertons and test the difference between the 12's and 10's but i do usually prefer 12's. [/quote] Is that because a 1x12 will move more air than a 1x10? Though Markbass don't do a 1x10. The main differences between the 1x12 & the 2x10 is the 1x12 is more portable & the 2x10 is louder & goes down to 40hz (the 12 goes to 45hz).

[quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1338503134' post='1675700'] My problem with this debate is: I like effects, my favourite bass players use effects quite a bit(Tim C, Takeshi Ueda) and while at hoem and playing I can write a fairly decent set of lines with effects doing a lot of work, with out having to chanmge my usual playing style. However as soon as more guys turn up (usually guitarists) I feel they are totally unecerssary(being open minded it maybe just the kind of music it is) Example there is one song where In my head using some chorus of phase effects in the chorus will add a lot of ambience and sound mint! and adding fuzz or drive to the massive ending will really give a massive layered sound and make everything huge. While at home it sounds good, the same lines sound just as good with no effects(is compressor really an effect??????????) so I'm turn at what to go for. While in the band setting the effected sound just doesn't quite sound right, again this could be the music we are playing, which is fairly straight forward. [/quote] I don't think it's a problem, just valid input to the debate. If you're using fx in a band setting (as many of us do), you need to make sure that the effects that you are using are going to fit in the songs that you are playing. If your guitarist or another musician is using chorus, then you might find adding it to bass takes away from the overall effect. Using effects to good effect requires listening to the whole band as one. Hearing the song as a non musician (a skill that can easily get lost when you learn an instrument) and being able to say to your self "That sounds XXXXX". As you say, it could be the music you're playing & different types of music are subject to different effects, but I think if you wanted to use effects in there then you could. It's getting the right sound from each instrument & if the guitarist is coming in with 20 pedals all on at once, then there's gonna be nothing left for you to use.

The 102 (2x10 combo) is a great combo & at 44lbs it's a 1 handed lift. However, it is a bit bulky for running around the streets & on & off tubes with. The 1x12 combo's are only 4-5lb lighter, but they look like an easier carry over long distances. Another option is to get a small head to put in a bag (bass case, shoulder bag, etc) & get a small but highly sensitive cab from the likes of Barefaced.

If you're comfortable having an upside down bass, then go for it. I have an SR1000 & it's been a brilliant bass. If it was me in your position, I'd either be going for the 605 & using the extra money on upgrading the pick ups (if they really need upgrading) or another fx pedal or holding on until a better Ibby comes along.

My singer has one of [url="http://log-jam.co.uk/"]these[/url]. You plug it in to the PA or 2nd channel on the amp & roll off all the top end so you just get a thump. It's just 2 lumps of wood with a piezo wired into it. You get a bit of 1/2" board with it to sit it on, but my singer usually sits it straight on the stage floor. Makes no odds.

[quote name='sk8' timestamp='1338448045' post='1674597'] And............? [/quote] The answer is [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/177711-need-help-understanding-power-ratings/page__view__findpost__p__1673944"]here[/url]. Plenty about electricity behaviour & gardening too!

If you can get time, get yourself to somewhere that has a few tiny heads & try a few out (you won't find em at a bodybuilder's meet). So that could be a shop, a Bassbash or just asking about on here to folk that are in your valley. If you're happy to buy blind, then anything from the likes of Genz Benz, Mark Bass, GK & so on are gonna do an excellent job when put through decent cabs. Anything after that is down to personal taste. I bought my Mark Bass blind after trying a good dozen or so other rigs out & I couldn't be happier with it. I've heard the Orange only really does one sound, but that one sound it does really well. Never tried one though.

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1338406606' post='1674185'] We've done organic DIY plant food and greenfly killer already. Don't make me resort to home brew napalm... [/quote] Now that would be useful in my "garden". The neighbour suggested a flamethrower & a couple of grenades.

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1338405447' post='1674156'] You don't need the Gardening thread, you need a new one entitled 'Jungle Warfare' The gardening thread is possibly the longest running thread on BC [b]without a cross word being spoken[/b]... a little vegetable oasis It's [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/127962-any-gardeners-on-here-then/page__st__500__p__1648302__hl__any%20gardeners%20on%20here"]here[/url] BTW. [/quote] That's until I start contributing of course!

[quote name='GregBass' timestamp='1338404797' post='1674141'] Any chance you can bring that lot round to my place and sort out my garden? It's gone a bit wild since I started posting on this thread [/quote] It's a slooow job & takes time & dedication. A bit like gardening.

Now that I do need to get involved in. I've just started learning about gardening this past couple of weeks. Mother nature's had it for the past 4 1/2 years & I'm slooooowwwwly taking it back. It was like the Amazon, now it's just a jungle. There's rhubarb in there, there's some weird exotic plants (probably weeds) & there's loads of my old favourite.... Brambles! I bought a strimmer & a lawnmower & now have something that resembles a patch of grass & I'm working on what could once maybe have been a vegetable garden!!! The neighbour has one of these "Bushcutter" things. It's like a petrol strimmer with a thick 3 pronged blade. He went into my jungle & broke it within 5 minutes! Oil peeing everywhere! I've been slowly working on a corner with large shears & heavy duty loppers (that can cut a 2" branch) & slowly working my way in. I can almost get to the 2nd shed!

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1338399126' post='1673999'] What's all the electronics talk about? The op wanted advice on basses and amps not the Maplins catalog! [/quote] I actually snotted! For that, you're immortalised!

[quote name='bassickman' timestamp='1338396608' post='1673944'] The £5k budget is for amp and bass. I'm thinking maybe Fender jazz deluxe 5 with mark bass little mark tube 500 and a mark bass 4 x 10. Or maybe a genz benz shuttle and a vanderkley 4 x 10 or......... a genz benz with a bergantino 4 x10. Thoughts? I've been to bass Direct all day today and I have only warmed to this gear. However, obviously I didn't try every bass in there. Maybe a bass modelled on a j-bass with better components would be an option. [/quote] If you're only warming to things, then don't rush into it. Find your ideal bass first of all & then take that around to find your rig. Get yourself a shot of a Dingwall whenever you can. I tried one quite some time ago & loved it but the Mrs wouldn't let me bring it back from the states (it was before you could get them here). Fanned fretboard takes about 20 mins to get used to & then it kinda feels just natural.

[quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1338394519' post='1673893'] Swear [i]by[/i], or swear [i]at?[/i] As some would say they're fugly. [/quote] It's all a question of taste. Some poor folk think Fenders look nice!

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1338392338' post='1673832'] I've not used a clip on tuner so I don't know about it's multitude of practical shortcomings, but I would imagine it makes your bass look less cool [/quote] I don't think a clip-on is as uncool as a strap-on!

Not that I would know, but is it not AC?

You have a very decent budget. I wouldn't rush into anything either. You may well find a full rig that suits all your needs & still have a coulpe of £k change. I saw David Phelps about a year ago & his bassist was using a Sadowsky into a Boss ME-50B fx unit & then into an SWR Super Redhead & all popped through the PA. If you're going into a decent PA system, then the onstage rig is just for you & the band to hear. So get what You like the sound of.

I think Bassickman is gonna consider an electronics degree next just so he can follow this! Either that or he's gonna take up keys.

Ibanez has been my choice of bass for the past 20 odd years. Solid reliable workhorses with a great sound. Bass to swear by for me would be a Ritter. Canny fekkin afford one!

Hahahahahahahaha. Get what sounds good to you is the best advice to go with. Music shop is a good place to try stuff.

There's been a few instances where my singer guitarist has sent me a guitar part without any lyrics or we've been in the studio with the band & played instrumental & I've written an awesome bassline, then had to completely change it as it detracted or clashed with the vocal line. Most of my basslines follow what the vocal line does (sometimes it's vice versa if the bassline is just too awesome to change).

[quote name='Dave Vader' timestamp='1338371016' post='1673317'] To proper finish it of I refer you to my earlier clip on tuner point. Best thing I ever bought. [/quote] That's what I usually borrow off the guitarist (or sometimes the mandolinist).

+1 for that.

Just to finish off on the "Tuner" subject. I don't have a tuner pedal, not because I don't think they're of use but because I'm happy that my bass will stay in tune for the full gig if I tune it before hand (usually with a phone app) & give it a quick check over before plugging in (usually by ear on the harmonics, or if it's noisy, using the guitarists tuner). That's not to say I wouldn't get a tuner though.