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We had a drummer less rehearsal the other night, everyone in the living room with Apple Loops being run through a small monitor. The guitarist was complaining he couldn't hear the drums but there was no way of giving the loops any more juice, so we had a bit of a chat about playing technique and actually listening not just hearing with everybody (2 vocalists- 2 saxes- keys, bass and guitar) et voila, loops spring out nice and clear. We had a full rehearsal and applied the same principle, the volume was easily manageable, my rig was set to 9 o clock and this is with the drummer using a fully cranked Ludwig snare.
In my rock band the drummer and guitarist are a sound engineers nightmare, psychopath and 120W half stack respectively but they play well and I just don't need volume to keep up. That's using a 140W head at 8 ohms into an old Hartke 410.
My point is that threads about how much power keep coming up and it normally ends with 3 general schools of thought, "I manage with a tin can and a piece of string" or "There ain't no substitute for cubes" or the scientists quoting the barefaced website. I can't recall many people saying play tidily, with rhythmic precision and musicality and it's amazing how much you can hear all of sudden. The best thing about this is you don't need a van full of boutique gear or the technique of Wooten, you just need to listen!
I shall sheepishly climb down from my soap-box now...
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That's a good point you've made. Getting everyone to "listen" to all the parts of the song they're playing as opposed to playing whatever fits the chord sequence & just noodling as loud as possible. My last rock band was often guilty of this, where we played way too loud & the guitarist wouldn't shut up with his widdly widdly weewee throughout the verses!
The Mrs liked our songs, came to one rehearsal & left after 20 mins as she couldn't hear the songs for the sheer volume of it. Was just an attack on her hearing.
Gigs was no different & even a few of the audience said "Wow, you guys are loud!", not a compliment IMO.
There's a lot of good guitarists out there, but there's very few great guitarists that know how to play volume wise & sit in the mix.
There's a guitarist in my team at work & he's always saying how passionate he is about guitar & has a collection of instruments & amps & learns a song note for note, yet he says he'll only ever play through a full Marshall stack (In a pub? You're having a laugh!) & he wants me to join his new band (I declined).
There's another chap who's the B/F of another team mate & he came to my last gig & asked if he could steal me for his band, I just laughed & this was on his FB page after fitting a humbucker in place of the neck p/u on a Telecaster "New pup is LOUUUDDD" & "Beautiful sound and most importantly didn't squeal like a biatch under serious volume". Says it all really.
I like my current band in the fact that the guitarist is the singer & he plays electro acoustic, but that mandolinist!
When the drummer joins, he uses either hotrods or brushes.