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[quote name='gadgie' timestamp='1417009947' post='2616022'] I'm currently trying to learn scales. However, what I'm having trouble with is what I should play in a minor or major thingy. I'm sure someone told me to play on the 5th fret for something in C, but can't remember if minor or major. anyway, played guitar for years knew loads of chords and were to play them, but didn't know the notes in the chord(s) doh! [/quote] A minor scale is the same notes as the major scale a 5th down. Eg, C major & A minor are all the same notes. It's worth getting something like the Guitar Toolkit app to help you look at scales.

If you've got the VPF filter turned anywhere up, it scoops your mids & boosts the bass & treble. This can make it get lost in the band. I used to play in a 2 guitar band (a couple of different ones) with a MarkBass 2x10 combo & had no probs being heard. The biggest issues being getting the guitarists to 1, turn down their lows & 2, turn down the volume. Raise your combo up a bit from the floor & if you've got the 2x10, put it vertically so one driver is above the other. The other issue is you may just be standing in the wrong place. If you're standing over the top of your combo, then it's a bit like trying to watch TV from above.

[quote name='UglyDog' timestamp='1416866429' post='2614592'] Given that the OP's "300watt bass amp is only ever at number 1", I get the feeling that excessive drummer volume isn't the problem. [/quote] He fails to tell you that the 300w amp is going through 4 8x10s.

It's a pain trying to play with 2 guitarists & get them to sound good together. It can be done, but it takes a bit of work. Might I suggest getting someone who knows a little about sound to come along & listen to you all play & let him/her have control over setting all the rigs up (or filling drums up with wadding). Even if you don't get the individual sounds you all like, at least it would be a starting point. Then you can tell the drummer the advantage of a lekky kit.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1416840739' post='2614118'] I don't have the gig for it... I initially wanted 2x210 which is also an option that I retain, but the 212 and 210 works great for me so that is my big stage rig and the 4 ohm, 8 ohm thing is what I've settled for in terms of power spread. Sound-wise, it is great so I am protecting the 210 when running high levels of a potential 750/4 ohms output. This is now also why I am keen to fine-tune my small lightweight rig so I can get the tone and clarity of 212/210 into 2x112's which mean the 12" have to work or be able to work harder tonally across the frequency range. Of course, I will have to compromise on the sheer weight and authority of the big rig sound, but there you go. [/quote] If you find the 2x10 that you like the sound of, then there's no reason why two of them shouldn't be able to cover all your bases. But then if the rig you have works for you, why change?

[quote name='Noisyjon' timestamp='1416831288' post='2613936'] The only reason I can think of is if you have a valve amp that only does 2 or 4 Ohm like Ampeg - It at least gives you options and a chance at keeping the cabinetry down a bit! [/quote] That's a good point.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1416826731' post='2613871'] I saw the advantage of a 4 ohm 212 at 600w being paired with a 8 ohm 210 at 350w. I could then run both on a bigger stage without the 210 getting a high load from a 750w delivery. I heard the 210 bottom out so I made the switch from 8 ohm 212 to 4... so the 4 ohm resistance would accept and handle the majority of the power. Like a crude cross-over effort, if effect. Whilst the 212 and 210 works very well..and as intended, the 4 ohms 212 on its own doesn't work as well for me. If I only used the 212...I'd want the 8ohm 212 back as I loved that sound from that standalone unit. [/quote] Why not go for two of the 8 ohm 2x12s you like?

I don't get the point of a company making a 4 & 8 ohm version of a 4x10 (or any cab that could be used with another) unless they are tonally different. When it comes to playing in a band, there's no noticable difference in volume & the 4 ohm cab is only going to make your amp run hotter with no benefits for doing so.

There isn't a "best", it's what type You prefer. If I had the knowledge to do what you're doing, then I would likely look at having bass, mid & treble controls. I'm sure someone with better knowledge on this than me will be along to give some helpful advice. Welcome to the forum.

[quote name='tonyquipment' timestamp='1416490794' post='2610769'] A pitch shifter isn't so great because the signal it's not do clean and sounds a bit weird Natural is better [/quote] I don't really agree with you there. It's really subjective to what you want to sound like & what style of music it is. In the OP's case, if he's playing rock, country or something that is guitar based then either a 5 string or a detuned 2nd 4 string is most likely the better option, but that isn't a given. There's a few rock bands that have the bass' core sound being the sound of a pitch shifter or octaver. In my acoustica folk band, I used a healthy amount of fx on the bass.

There's a markbass 2x15 in the classifieds within your budget. Not sure what it weighs though. Another option would be to sell your amp & buy my combo.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1416470658' post='2610447'] I'd be careful with that... Advertising in one's sig is not really the done thing old bean! [/quote] Unless the ad is a link to your existing Basschat ad. It was raised in a different thread (not in relation to mine) & I queried it as I had never heard of such a thing. It's perfectly acceptable to put a link in your sig to an ad you place on BC, but it's a Nono to post an ad in your sig that isn't in the "For Sale" section.

I'm glad this isn't a Jim'll Fix It thread. Getting a great tone at home is pointless if you play in a band. I found that out by spending ages setting things up, getting to a rehearsal & finding I didn't like the sound & put everything to flat.

But the information given does matter. I've get t a car that I really like. It has all the toys & tells you about these in the manual, but it also states the average MPG about 20 mpg above what it really is. At the end of the day, that was one of the factors that I looked at & the marketing dept lied to me. A lie is a lie even if they describe it as massaging the truth.

I suppose getting a rock player to play disco style is like trying to get a folk player to play jazz. Unless they've practiced the genre & got a feel for it, it's most likely gonna sound like the genre that they normally play in.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1416327986' post='2609096'] The current song atm that I hear 'butchered' most times is 'Get Lucky'.. [/quote] On paper, it's a simple song. In reality, it takes a decent guitarist that knows how to play funk or disco to get that part to feel right (it doesn't have to be the same sequence, but it has to have that feel). The bassline isn't hard either, but it needs to be tight & have that disco/soul feel to the length of the notes. A previous band I had tried it. Tried a couple of times & all enjoyed playing it, but we did destroy it. The guitarists were both rock strummers & knew not who Nile Rogers was. Needles to say, that funk/electro/acid jazz band did not last long (though maybe too long).

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1416324126' post='2609060'] Its actually very hard to correlate perceived volume with measurements. SPL is not a bad place to start but even then the relationship between SPL and loudness isn't a simple one. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness[/url] [/quote] & then it's not so much what amp, but what cabs & drivers. You could stick the same amp through an average 2x10 & then a better 2x10 and find the perceived volume difference to be huge.

It depends really on the "standards" that you refer to. Are they jazz standards or the guff mentioned above?

If you're wanting to play synth sounds from your bass, then you're better to go down either the separate pedals route (wet octaver, dirt, filter & whatever else you fancy), or get a midi bass & plug it into the Arturia (the IR midi bass gets a thumbs up from many users on OBW).

[quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1416243026' post='2608230'] can you get a rack mount 11 band EQ ? [/quote] Not that I know of, but you can get plenty of eq pedals. These are usually more suited to bass. The closest I got to using an equaliser was using a moog bass Murf, but that was to split frequencies & add more effects to them. What's wrong with the amp's eq section?

A 31 band eq isn't needed for bass. 11 is probably more than enough. With 31, you could spend all evening at sound check trying to get it to sound right. Especially if you're not sure what frequencies do what in relation to what you're hearing. But if you're going to use one, then like Dad says, put it in the fx loop.

In most of my previous bands, I did most of the organising. The acoustica band had an excellent singer who did a lot of the work & the last band was an electronica band, where the keys player did all the work. The bands that have been hard work have been the ones with guitarists in them. They tend to be decent chaps, but don't like to write their own guitar parts, don't organise rehearsals or gigs & like to play louder than the drummer can possibly hit or noodle when the vocalist is trying to sing. Kinda makes me happy I only play at home now, though I do miss gigging.

Other than good dispersion.

That, I can understand.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1416170303' post='2607616'] I thought we weren't allowed to do that? [/quote] I wasn't aware of that as even a guideline, hence the link in my sig. Is it frowned upon?