CamdenRob

Wow I've gained two votes since I looked this morning, at this rate by the close of voting I'll have.... two votes.... A big thank you to everyone who took the time to comment on soundcloud, its much appreciated. Rob

Some great input here chaps, much appreciated... I wonder just how much of a current 'vintage' fenders value is simply the equivalent of inflation over the instruments lifetime? I'm guessing if one was looking for appreciation value in an instrument available new today, you would have to find something that was as new and original as a fender P was in the beginning. I mean we're not talking about a new take on the bass guitar, we're talking about an entirely new instrument as it was back in the 50's... Investment aside for a moment...and maybe I'm just a blinkered old bass enthusiast... I've got an itch for an old jazz... I think i'm just trying to justify it... Rob

I have a mint Blueburst L-2000 Tribute I put up for sale a month or so back on here for £350... might possibly re-list it if you had any interest? Not entirely sure I want to part with it though! Rob

Thanks for your input gents. [quote name='Rick's Fine '52' timestamp='1375169501' post='2157384'] [size=5][sub]Are they better basses?, not for me, but you asked about investment.[/sub][/size] [/quote] Yes I'm not looking to get into a 'this bass is better than this bass' discussion, I'm talking from a purely investment point of view... Which from your sig it would appear you would know, wow what a list of gear! Rob

Being short of a crystal ball to tell whats going to be of value in the future, what do we think about the current crop of Fenders with regards to their investment value? Will modern day models be held in the same regard in 40 years time as loft aged 70s models are at the moment? Which model will hold its value best? I'm assuming signature models would not be as popular as standard models, but what about the reissues? I'm not looking personally to use a bass as an investment (although the returns would probably be better than my current crop of bonds). I'm merely thinking this would be a good way to justify a new bass purchase to MrsCamdenRob... Its an investment dear... Rob

[quote name='RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE' timestamp='1374957507' post='2155308'] Just me & you hen Rob [/quote] It would seem so... At least I'm not alone in my dislike of a bass tone that sounds like someone playing a P bass whilst wearing ski gloves... Takes all sorts this bass playing lark though. Rob

I always though they kinda sounded like someone playing an acoustic bass with a duvet stuffed inside it... still each to their own I guess... Rob

I did my school 'work experience' in the Trace factory when I was 14. In between packing stuff into boxes and doing regular paid staffs jobs whilst they sat around drinking tea and talking about arsenal, I tried out pretty much the entire range at the time (late 90s) To be honest I was distinctly underwhelmed and have stayed clear of Trace ever since. I tried out a friends Ashdown a few years back and that also sounded suitably muffled and wooly. Give me a nice bright GK sound instead... Rob

I personally prefer the deep bright sound of new strings.. dunno about anyone else but my bass never sounds clangy... I can't stand a dull lifeless thud and change the strings on all my basses at least once a month. Obviously this being my personal opinion means that it is the absolute truth, as bass playing is exactly the same thing to everyone who plays.The very suggestion that different people might like different sounds is preposterous.... Rob

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1374654606' post='2151269'] So when the voting comes around everyone has to listen to 20 odd 12 minute pieces of music.... [/quote] [quote name='charic' timestamp='1374654761' post='2151273'] Yup [/quote] That's a serious commitment... and sadly one I do not have the free time to make. I'll be sitting this one out. Good luck one and all Rob

So when the voting comes around everyone has to listen to 20 odd 12 minute pieces of music....

I am guilty of the "meh that'll do' approach... which may explain my consistent lack of votes... Rob

[quote name='cloudburst' timestamp='1374243269' post='2146831'] Ah okay - thought you were indicating that D minor was in some way more special in context of C major. CB PS: the triad of the Dorian mode on D is "D - F - A"...... get back to those pipes :-) [/quote] I just read my post back and thought.. hang on a minute D - F - G that's not right Your right I'll go back to my pipes... Rob

[quote name='cloudburst' timestamp='1374242153' post='2146814'] Given that C Major's relative minor is A Minor, and with D Minor being the relative minor of F Major, the above statement vexes me. CB [/quote] Well A - C - E is 1st, 3rd, 5th of the Aeolian mode (relative minor) if you play the 1st, 3rd, 5th of a D Dorian D - F - A or a E Phrygian E - G - B you still have the flat 3rd so you have another two minor triads in the key of C. Rob *edited as I am a ignoramus who wrote the wrong notes for a D minor triad...

[quote name='Dave Vader' timestamp='1374239690' post='2146772'] Out here in the countryside we all have estates, but I sold the Volvo when my gran gave me a hyundai /coatgotten [/quote] The only estates round here are owned by the council... I've often fancied the country life, I could get myself some dogs, some wellies, a flat cap and shotgun...

It really is simple if you break it down. I apologise if this sounds pretentious, I don’t mean it that way. I learnt myself using this kind of foundation and it’s helped several students of mine in the past get to grips with things. I’m bored at work this afternoon and I find theory more interesting than drawing pipes so I’ve typed out the following. Here is my tuppence worth; Can you play a C major scale? Can you play two octaves of that major scale (same shape / intervals starting on the last note)? If notes confuse you use numbers to represent the positions on the fretboard. C(1) D(2) E(3) F(4) G(5) A(6) B(7) C(8) D(9) E(10) F(11) G(12) A(13) B(14) C(15) All scales, modes and chords in the diatonic system come from this. If you play notes 1 – 8, C – C you have the major scale. For a basic chord take the 1[sup]st[/sup], 3[sup]rd[/sup] and 5[sup]th[/sup] note of this scale C – E – G this gives you a C Major chord. So we can play the notes 1 – 8 as a melody under the chord of C Major. We may however wish to play more than one chord… shock horror… fortunately theory has provided us with another 6 basic chords (triads) that are related to C Major. Now play notes 2 – 9, D – D over this two octave major scale. What we have here is a Dorian mode. Take the 1[sup]st[/sup], 3[sup]rd[/sup] and 5[sup]th[/sup] notes of this progression D – F – A and you have a D Minor Chord (the 3[sup]rd[/sup] is a semi tone flatter making this triad a minor chord) thus the C Major and D Minor triads are related. You can also play 3 – 10, E – E (Phrygian) 4 – 11, F – F (Lydian) 5 – 12, G – G (Mixolydian) 6 – 13, A – A (Aeolian) and 7 – 14, B – B (Locrian) All of these modes are in the key of C as we are still only using the white notes C D E F G A B C If you take the 1[sup]st[/sup], 3[sup]rd[/sup] and 5[sup]th[/sup] notes of each of these modes in C you get the chords; C Major (C – E – G) D Minor (D – F – A) E Minor (E – G – F Major (F – A – C) G Major (G – B – D) A Minor (A – C – E) B Half Diminished (B – D – F) flat 3[sup]rd[/sup] and flat 5[sup]th[/sup] Try any combination of these chords say C Major for 4 bars then E Minor for 2 bars then A Minor for 2 bars. Try using the notes of the corresponding modes for your bassline / melody. This is a simplification obviously, chords are not limited to 1[sup]st[/sup], 3[sup]rd[/sup] and 5[sup]th[/sup] you can have extensions by adding a 9[sup]th[/sup] or 11[sup]th[/sup] for example or substitute the 3[sup]rd[/sup] for a 4[sup]th [/sup]It will all fit within the same system though. Basically if you can play a major scale you can play it all. Just move the same shapes to start on any note you like and the system is the same for every key. I know this ignores melodic minor scales and key changes etc, but I think it’s a good introduction to how everything fits together. There is obviously the element of rhythm to add to all this and how our instrument sits in the context of a band and other instruments, I don’t think you can really be taught this though… This is your style that will define your playing, it comes from your ideas and you alone. Or you can have a guitarist write a riff that follows no theoretical pattern and play root notes underneath… Works for most! Some enjoy theory, others don’t… Whatever you feel comfortable with and ultimately whatever sounds good! Sounding good is what it’s all about and there are many different ways to get there. Good Luck Rob

[quote name='Dave Vader' timestamp='1374234941' post='2146713'] I have two sheds and a summer house at my new gaff, mostly so it's so I know which one I'm talking about. It is just a shed with a lot of windows. Good for the drinking, and making smutty euphemisms about banjos. [/quote] Two sheds and a summer house? on the Vader Estate? My flat is about as big as a shed... Rob

Here is my recording set up... complete with assistant. Yes it is Friday afternoon and no I am not busy at work... Rob

Where is the dividing line between a 'summer house' and a shed? Is it just a size of windows thing...

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1373987875' post='2143903'] What, Alex Salmond? *Quickly runs away* [/quote] Even Alex Salmond sounds better than the bag pipes...

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1373318873' post='2136209'] [i]This is entirely your own fault for producing such immaculate production from a 'phone. Maybe it's time I updated mine..?[/i] ) [attachment=138652:Old_Phon.jpg] [/quote] I want this as my actual phone... Is it for sale? Rob