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Ha ha - must try that Pedalboard Tape then. [quote name='Higgie' timestamp='1329414727' post='1542196'] The boards themselves are so small that it's not a problem! I know what you mean about re-wiring when you get a new pedal, but I'm honestly very happy with my current arsenal of pedals, and since everything is wired in a linear fashion to make using the multi-board setup easier, changing things out really isn't that hard. Well, using Pedalboard Tape means the hardest thing about the process is getting the pedal off of the board [/quote]

For me the worse thing about buying any new pedal is having to re-arrange and re-wire everything, it is just such a pain in the arse job to do!! I think that what you are doing makes sense if playing for lots of different bands but even carrying multiple pedal boards is not much fun either. I love my chocca block PT2 it really pissed of our guitarist every time I get it out as I have lots more pedals then he does!! I would love an all singing all dancing GigRig pedalboard but I think that that really is over the top. In terms of the OP I would also suggest the Boss OC2 and a Chorus of some description, Compression seems to be only required if you are slapping a lot IMO. Filter wise I would be with the Aguilar Filter Twin or the 3 Leaf GR, love my MuTron but big and heavy so not an essential pedal by any means. What about the Akai Deep Impact for synth sounds?

Nice idea but is a Pedaltrain PT2 really that hard to carry around? With my current setup I can get in and out of the gig in one trip and really don't feel that I would be benefitting too much by having a lighter board with me. It just seems a bit of a fag to have to split and re-wire boards for the sake of saving some weight. [quote name='Higgie' timestamp='1329412528' post='1542149'] Bit of overdrive, maybe? As a freelance bass player myself, I'd like to just chime in with my opinion... I was like you - I wanted a board with all the "Essential" pedals that I could fit on it, just for the sake of being "versatile" and having all these sounds at my toes. But eventually, I realised that at most gigs, the only pedals on were the ones that made up my "Core" sound. Which was a little bit of Overdrive, and some Compression, my Sadowsky preamp/DI, and my Tuner. I occasionally got to use a bit of Fuzz, and maybe some Filter, but the fact was, I was dragging a Pedaltrain PT2 with 13 pedals on it around, to use pretty much 4 or 5 pedals, most of which stayed on all the time anyway! This will be the case for 80-90% of the gigs you get - There just isn't a demand for a bass player with lots of effects (Unless you join a Dubstep/Drum and Bass group - in which case ignore me ) So recently I sold the PT-2, and I've decided to go with a couple of Pedaltrain Nanos. That way I can have a little board with the essentials (The "Core" setup I mentioned, Tuner, Preamp/DI, Compressor, Overdrive), then another board for the funkier stuff (Octave, Fuzz, Filter), then another for Modulation (Analogman Chorus, Line 6 Echo Park, Atomic Echo Clone etc). I think it's a much more efficient setup, as you can choose which pedals you want for which gig, without disassembling anything, but also without having to lug a huge board to a gig, only to use 2 pedals on it. And if you're taking a Synth keyboard to gigs as well, it would be much easier to take 2 or 3 small boards than 1 big heavy one! Here is a picture of my board so you can see the size - Perfect for a Modular setup, where you can just join 2 or 3 boards together, have all the pedals you need, and not take up much floor space! The good thing is, is that you'll most probably fit 4 pedals on it. Most Daisy Chains have 5 outputs, so you can literally take the last output to power the next board, and so on. So i'll be powering 3 or 4 boards, off of one power supply, with no hassle, and it will be all neat and tidy [/quote]

Have sent Max an e-mail to see what costs are for the Loop Logic. [quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1329228708' post='1539120'] Yeah. Loop logic is a custom shop item and not on the main site. He has made 2 or 3 I recall him saying. My version is called 'Loops Mixer' and is the 1st with the added functionality. I'm sure he'll build either again and make any changes needed to suit your set up. [/quote]

Sorry meant to quote Cheddatom and not you then Shep!

I can't see loop logic on his site! I presume you are talking about this product? http://www.sfxsound.co.uk/mainpage.asp?page=sm I guess that pressing the main button switches from loop A to loop B but how you switch to a mix of both as you do by changing the function on the LS2? [quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1329212728' post='1538707'] Mine was built by Max (you can't get the stuff in shops - just direct), but mine has a slight change to the 'loop logic' blender or the split & mix stuff he builds, made specifically for my application... Max @ SFX is amazing at making stuff that works FOR YOU. [/quote]

So does this do the same as an LS2 then? [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1329209529' post='1538648'] I got mine used from the marketplace here, it works great and the switches are very cleverly spaced - I can switch both loops at the same time very easily, but I don't knock the wrong footswitch accidentally when i'm just turning on one loop [/quote]

Interestingly I had a rehearsal with an old band last night and we have not played together for 2 years and since then I have invested in the Mark Bass and Berg set up and both the sax player and keyboard player commented on what a great bass sound I had now. In my mind that speaks volumes! In defence of Mark at Bass Direct what he does (and very well IMHO) is allow you to hear combinations that he thinks work well together, no hard sell no BS just walk in and A/B your existing set up against the myriad of options that he has available. If you know your stuff you will hear what is right for you and buy it and if you don't then you wont! I am not so sure that what you buy in the shop can then sound bad in a band environment?

[quote name='Leighton Allen' timestamp='1328741055' post='1532122'] Just met up with another pro bass playing friend who has a few berg cabs AE112,HS210 HT112ER!! i took over my ebs pro line 4x10, aguilar 1x12 gs x2 and aguilar th500 amp ebs td650. We compared most of the possibilities as came to this conclusion!!!! I think that it also depends on the bass you are plugging into the head too - rehearsed last night using my GB Rumour and Berg 1 x 12 and had to keep backing the bass off the amp and guitar as it was just to damn heavy. Certainly no lack of bottom end in my Berg's. LM3 and Berg's are a perfect match. Oh and BTW I sold my Aggie Ag500SC and GS112 to got to this set up and have never regretted it for 1 second but again that is just my preference. Dave said '' Leight after tonight i will be selling two of my 3 berg cabs, i now totally see where your coming from. i think i just fell into a trap that most bass players fall into. After playing all the gear tonight i can CLEARLY SAY I THINK BERG CABS ARE THE WORST SOUNDING CABS I HAVE EVER PLAYED!!!!!!! NO FREAKIN BALLS AT ALL. WE ARE BASS PLAYERS RIGHT WELL LETS HAVE SOME FREEKIN BASS PLEASE!!!! [/quote]

I looked really hard at the squeezer before going for the MBSS but TBH the general consensus of opinion was that it was really fiddly to program and that switched me off it. I find the MBSS heavy going trying to program sounds through the laptop but there were some downloadable patches over on Talk Bass which were pretty cool and I have put a few of those onto the pedal. It has re-affirmed in my mind that knob twiddling is a complicated as I really want to get! I made that decision years ago when I got rid of the the Line 6 multi fx and changed to individual stomp boxes. The EHX Micro Bass Synth looks appealing now over the MBSS because all you have to do is move sliders around!! I may well change to that in due course. I really did want the Akai Deep Impact on the board but the price is prohibitive and others that know much more about effects than I do (cue Shep) suggested that between the OC2, Brown Dog and a filter and the MBSS there is not a sound that the DI could make that I can't. Needless to say that has helped the bank balance a little! [quote name='phil.i.stein' timestamp='1328231509' post='1524306'] if you can deal with the fiddliness of the interface, the Octavius Squeezer would substitute as a good one-pedal solution to those two. the fuzz and filter combinations are excellent, and very versatile. (Agent Funk and Brown Dog). i'm still endeavouring with the synth side (and octave), but it's slow going.. [/quote]

Did think about that but the GR2 seems to be more popular than the Proton. [quote name='EskimoBassist' timestamp='1328221418' post='1524153'] Proton! [/quote]

Thank you. The LS-2 enables me to switch on the Mu-Tron, OC-2 & Brown Dog with one press for a synthy sound and then use the other loop for turning on the Multi-Comp for slap sections or blending a clean tone with the Super Synth. Too much tap dancing before I put the LS-2 on the board! [quote name='lxxwj' timestamp='1328220965' post='1524141'] That's probably the most compact, useful board I've ever seen. I want to play through it! What's the LS-2 for? [/quote]

A few changes and additions in recent weeks so thought that I would post again. Might change the MuTron for something smaller and lighter - GR2 maybe?

Only 1 loop though! Slightly off topic but do like the look of the new GigRig Quarter Master! You have to try the MXR though it may work for you - just for me it lacked a bit. I still the think that the Aguilar Filter Twin is a great pedal though. If a GR2 comes up on here then I may well go for it but think there may well be a queue formed in front of me already! [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1327683610' post='1515403'] Tht's what i'm affraid of the MXR, i get the feeling that it still may not have the same bottom (in lack of a better word) than the GR! The LS2 is out of the question, besides the fact that it would mean another pedal on the board (i want to minimize it) it doesn't have true-bypass, if i was to take this route i would me more unclined to a Z.CAT Blender: [url="http://www.zcatpedals.com/?dir=view&id=200910290108414IHj"]http://www.zcatpedal...910290108414IHj[/url] Cheers [/quote]

I found the blend on the MXR M82 really useful but just did not like the sound of the filter - very trebley (is that a word?) and lacking a little in depth if I was honest. A Boss LS2 would enable you to blend some dry signal with any filter though so why change? [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1327681730' post='1515351'] I LOVE my GR and the only reason it's not in my board is because i wanted to see if i could get a similar sound from the Proton and gain (in fact loose) pedalboard realestate! The Proton wasn't able to take it's place... I agree completely with Shep's description of the Proton vs GR, right on the spot! I think i can see some (not much) use for the blend on the GR2 that's why i have the MXR on it's way - cheaper way to see if the blend is helpfull! I'm now starting to feel a new GAS comming up from the MXR side, their range has everything i need and i'm dreaming on a all-MXR pedalboard... humm... not for this topic, i think i'll start a new one to see if anybody can put some scense in my head... [/quote]

I think that the MuTron is much better in the studio then it ever is live - agreed that it does struggle to cut through live. The MuTron does sound great after the Brown Dog on my board - much better than the Aguilar Filter Twin but so tempted to hear a GR2 there now! [quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1327680590' post='1515326'] It is very close to the MuTron... But I always thought the MuTron was a little weak sounding. The issue you have is that the GR s based on the stripped down core envelope of the Lovetone Meatball - Which is a hugh fat subby envelope. if you put any envelope filter next to Meatball they are going to sound thin, as they do next to the GR. Fact is though, that in some musical situations that tone is harder to cut through and the MuTron rarely struggles to cut through as it has far more mid range, hence the Proton is likely more usable in many band situations. That doesn't stop the GR sounding MASSIVE though After a gated fuzz the GR is THE envelope to use for synth bass stuff IME. [/quote]

Cheers Shep - it is weird though becuase Spencer at 3Leaf tried to emulate the MuTron exactly with the Proton but the GR2 is more popular!! Maybe he did not get as close to the 'Tron as he had hoped?

Know what you mean - I was like that before I bought the MuTron and look at me now still hankering after another bloody envelope filter!! What is the Proton like? Seems to me like the GR2 is always preferred though by most for some reason. [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1327679312' post='1515302'] Me too, i'm waiting for the arrival of my new(ish) MXR M82 thus leaving me with 3 wha's !!??? (3Leaf GR, 3Leaf Proton and MXR M82) and i'm still thinking that i should sell all of them and get a GR2... [/quote]

Interested to hear updates from anyone on this pedal. Agree ref the Subdecay I got rid of mine for the same reason! Now if the GR2 could get somewhere near the Mu-Tron I might be interested to make some space on my board and also to leave a "valuable antique" at home!!

Is it feasible to use the extra channel for a slap only sound and then switch between the two as and when you need it? I have never owned a two channel amp you see! [quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1327145459' post='1506897'] The MB500 is basically the same amp as the MB200 but with some extra switches to play with and of course the extra channel. The MB Fusion has a valve pre and a few more controls. I can't remember what's added/removed on each off the top of my head but it'll be up on GK's website. I'm REALLY tempted to get an MB200, they're so small it'd be easy to put it in a gig bag and forget about it, then if anything ever does happen, there's a head sat there waiting to be used. Notts, I have a fair old pile of GK gear (as per sig), if you ever want to play with a fusion and have a comparison, you're welcome to pop round sometime and have a twiddle. [/quote]

[quote name='Higgie' timestamp='1326673886' post='1500441'] Finally loaded up my Pedaltrain Nano with the bare essentials. Wot no envelope filter?!!! Is that the tape from the GigRig? Sadowsky Pre-Amp/DI with Korg DT-10BK on the Tuner Out, into Aguilar TLC, into MojoHand Cream Pie. Sorry for the crappy pic. iPod Touch strikes again!! All powered by a Johnnyshredfreak power supply. I'm thinking of getting another couple of Nanos and going with a modular setup. Seeing as a Nano will fit 4 regular sized pedals, that will always leave a spare output on the Daisy chain so I could power more than one board with one power supply. All held down with Pedalboard Tape (ripped all the velcro off the board and pedals. It's brilliant stuff, can't believe how strong it is!) and wired up with George L's. [/quote]