Gunsfreddy2003

Would you say that the P16 is a better bet than the Allen & Heath ME1? The ME-1 looks great to me when I use it with my own band as we have a QU desk but when I am depping I am assuming that it would be pretty useless if the band didn't have an A&H desk? In which case, would the P16 be better because it looks like you can use it with any desk and it's therefore much more flexible. Only downside that I can see if lack of ambient mic which is a great feature on the ME1. [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1504108290' post='3362738'] The P16 is a really great solution... if you are big into your inears, its great, it's just that auxes are cheaper... but yeah, P16 would be the killer move if you can afford it. Also worth mentioning, you are limited to 16 channels. The reason I didn't go down the Ultranet route is that mind band tends to use 30 channels... so half to the mix would be missing for IEM users. [/quote]

To my ear the SWR highs are just a little softer on the ear than the EBS which I really like. [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1501548019' post='3345483'] The secret to the EBS cab is the crossover paired with the Eminence drivers... so if you like the excitable highs, that's what you'll need.... You could always find the cheapest EBS cab you can find and use it as a donor cab and get the speakers and crossover into a lighter box... Gunsfreddy's setup is interesting though - the SWR has a lot of highs too... and some would argue that the crossover is more sensible. [/quote]

Ha ha - yes and he doesn't even use them live anymore! [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1501603313' post='3345853'] There's someone in this thread sitting on four 2x10 EBS cabs and both a 650 and 350 head! [/quote]

I'm running a HD350 into either 2 x 1x10 or 2 x 2x10 SWR cabs and couldn't be happier with my tone. Before that I had a Mark Bass LM3 so have sacrificed weight for tone but don't regret it at all.

I've a 2u fabric bag (think it is Gator) for my EBS head and it's been great will check tomorrow and let you know what it is as would highly recommend it.

Wish they would put some kind of ambient mic in somewhere - that would make it perfect! [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1499925224' post='3334499'] [url="http://www.64audio.com/magpack"]http://www.64audio.com/magpack[/url] Looks interesting... [/quote]

I moved over to SWR cabs very recently (about 2 years ago) and I love them - for me paired with an EBS head and an active jazz bass you get a tone to die for! I do keep looking at the Redhead though with GAS filled eyes!

... and a good example here starts at 1 min 24 secs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-T7UHH6HPc [quote name='Barking Spiders' timestamp='1499087527' post='3329053'] Actually Nile can play a tasty bit of lead when he wants. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbSc-2IzXzM[/media] [/quote]

He was - he had chronic flu and had been told by doctors not to do the show - he died that night. [quote name='oldbass' timestamp='1498893935' post='3327781'] .... those Sledge girls, mmmm. I actually think he looks really ill in that clip. Notice he does'nt move an inch and freeze it at 2.26, not looking good at all. [/quote]

Jerry Barnes ain't bad either! [quote name='Russ' timestamp='1498830853' post='3327424'] Watched the set on iPlayer. Funky as hell, plus a great reminder of how many other peoples' songs Nile has worked on behind the scenes over the years and what a legend he's become. I'd honestly forgotten that he produced Let's Dance for Bowie until they played it. And Jerry played his arse off. I don't care that he plays more notes with a brighter tone than Bernard did. He's entertaining. It's a gig, they're supposed to be entertaining. Every member of the band should put their 2p's worth in, and Jerry put in the full quid. I could understand him being criticised if he had lost the groove, but at no point was he anything less than funky and in the pocket. Ever seen any footage of old Bernard-era Chic gigs? He didn't play the stuff the same as the record either, he embellished, he slapped, he had fun with it, which is exactly what Jerry was doing. One thing to never forget is that, when someone books a band, they're booking 'entertainment'. So part of your job is to be entertaining and to draw the audience in. In this regard, Jerry Brown does his job very, very well. [/quote]

100% agree - as bassists, surely we can air our opinion and hope that those on here understand a little more about where we are coming from then perhaps the wife or dog would! I love Nile Rodgers, Chic and Jerry Barnes - even met the great man himself last year but in my opinion I think his playing was way over the top, tone was great but as a professional player he should know better, certainly didn't see the sax player or keys players diving in all over the place when they felt like it. [quote name='wombatboter' timestamp='1498555573' post='3325427'] If you can't have an opinion without being famous what is bass.chat for ? To be clear : I was annoyed by the playing of Barnes but the reason why I watched the entire set was that I liked the sound of his bass (not his playing). I can sometimes listen to shows without liking the music but only because of the bass sound. [/quote]

LOL - I did exactly the same when I watched their set at Glasto in 2013 hence now owning an Atelier Z bass and EBS and SWR cabs! I know Jerry uses Aguilar amps but I wanted something between him and Marcus and EBS and SWR did that with the AZ bass. [quote name='AdamWoodBass' timestamp='1498465383' post='3324699'] Watched the set and really enjoyed it. Fantastic crowd an the band were super tight. Jerry is a really talented and entertaining player but I do agree with a few people here that there was a touch of over playing going on here and there. But then who am I to be calling him out on that, he's on stage at Glasto with Chic and I'm not! I LOVED his tone, to the point where I'm looking into what gear he uses to attempt to replicate it! [/quote]

Agree - the Barry Gibb set was brilliant, I really enjoyed it and was amazed that he can still hit the high notes. I thought his bass player was excellent, so tight and the perfect sound for the songs. Anyone know who he is? [quote name='wombatboter' timestamp='1498460165' post='3324681'] I'm a huge fan of slap and Chic but what Jerry Barnes does is just too much...Chic is all about cool grooves and the sparse lick every now and then and Barnes is all about show off and overplaying. Bernard's tone was a huge part of the Chic sound and that sort of treble didn't fit the smoothness of their music. I thought Barnes was horrible, slapping too much, slides in every song and making it a sort of slap contest what Chic is not about imo. The worst thing is that though his slap sound was great his timing wasn't....everytime he went solo his fills were sloppy. A bunch of slap cliches (octaves anyone ?) and I just got tired of it...my foot went crazy during the Barry Gibb set, it stopped during Chic. The presenters were raving about Barnes which proves that when you do something loud and many times people get impressed... I don't see what Rodgers sees in him after the pure class of Edwards [/quote]

I have to say that I love his tone - horse for courses but I do agree that it feels like he is over playing far too much. Some of the discordant lines add nothing to the songs in my opinion. Some slap is more this ok but I just wish he'd sit in the pocket a little more and groove and let the songs speak. [quote name='4000' timestamp='1498420857' post='3324509'] You know, I love Chic. But although the band is indeed mostly killing it I really wish someone would cut Jerry's thumb off. He embodies a type of player that many bass players seem to want to be but which doesn't interest me at all. Horrible glassy bass sound and, for me, overplaying in the context of what I love about the original band. Sorry! [/quote]

No, the original singers are a lot older - Folami and Kimberley have been with Nile for a few years now though. [quote name='Phil Adams' timestamp='1498458692' post='3324672'] Haven't watched much of Glasto this year, but glad I caught Chic. Are they the original girl singers?? [/quote]

Depends whether you can be arsed with shifting loads of cabs around anymore? We put the whole band through the PA so don't need a back line amp anymore so can use a 1x10 for reference or IEM's - I've never travelled lighter! I believe that Porter & Davies have just revised their prices so are more affordable than they were but I love mine and I honestly think that once you have one and use it you can't go without and I know a couple of drummer friends that say exactly the same about the seats. [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1496443153' post='3311563'] I know a drummer who uses the BC2 and drum seat. As the others have said, I'd prefer to shift more air by adding another cab. [/quote]

I have one and have to say that it is amazing - cannot gig without it and don't always use IEM's either!

I've been on a similar journey myself recently - I feel that most of the players that I really admire have a very light touch and achieve so much more playing that way. I've always played quite hard and trying to move away from that is really hard! Latest bass to the collection has a ridiculously low action and needs to be played lightly. I bought a Porter & Davies board a while back and using that is really helping me as I can feel every note when I play love. I honestly think that I learnt to play so hard because it was essential to hearing what you were doing in a band environment!

IMO - I would invest the money into something like the Porter & Davies KT Platform or the Eich version of the same thing. It has transformed the way I play live and what I can hear/feel. Could not recommend them highly enough.

Amen to that - big love for Mr H. [quote name='Danj' timestamp='1490294296' post='3264087'] Just would like to add a big public thank you to Russ (EBS Freak) for his help on PM. Really appreciated - one question and response and he cuts through all the confusion and options with some common sense IEM wisdom! Cheers Dan [/quote]

How does the iPad mixing work then? I've got two so no problem on that front! For me the real attraction with the ME 1 is the built in ambient mics. Being wired is not a massive issue for me. [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1490292726' post='3264066'] They are fabulous - used them with my GLD80 - although they are still £430 (they were more than that when they came out) and if you haven't got a requirement not to use the auxes on the desk, I'd still be tempted to do your mix via an iPad. The ME1 is a nice piece of hardware but only really comes into it's own if you want to run loads of them. I think on YouTube theres a video where each symphony orchestra member has their own mix controllable via their own ME-1. For that, it's absolutely brilliant. If you do get one, it's going to lock you into the A&H ecosystem - and you are still wired after £430 quids worth of investment. If you haven't got an iPad things may be different... but in that case, I'd be tempted to go down CeX and buy a used iPad for for circa £150. My advice, save the cash and buy an EW300 then you can use it on other desks. But if you don't, the ME1 is ace regardless. Just gone through phone - keyboard player here with the aforementioned. [/quote]