Woodinblack

Yes, alto are a bit creative with their power statements!

I suspect he put them on incorrectly thought,. I must admit I would be very puzzled why anyone would use a strap lock a second time if it failed, let alone a 3rd time! I have had Schallers on many instruments and gigged them many times, never had them fail although they can loosen over time if you let them.

The MAUI 28 was 2 x 8" mid bass, in the bass unit and 16 x 3" drivers in the top and then 2 X 1" tweeters at the top. So quite a few speakers. I guess if you are charging by speaker it works out pretty good value.

Understood. So you think that at the moment, none of them are really worthwhile? TBH, that is what the youtube guy was saying for this sort of application.

Indeed - so surely that means the length of the array effects the dispersion of the array in general, as below the given frequency, the dispersion of the vertical plane means that more power is lost going up and down which is not where you want it, compared to the higher frequencies that aren't doing that. Which I would say for commercial items, they all do (unless you mean an additional sub rather than just what thye are sitting on). Although I did notice that you can take the columns off the MAUI ones, and bolt them to something, not that that is practical in a gig. And I suppose the Bose are just the pole and apart from the compact, the subs are separate.

Well, I ummed and ahhed on the Evox j8s, then two appeared on ebay local to me for £1k, which on the grand scheme of things is a good deal, but it is still a lot of money, so I thought about it and went to a gig, and they were sold. But then I had a gig with my two Alto 212s and behringer subwoofer, with the kit miked up and through the PA, and some bass, and the sound was great, everyone liked it* so that left me wondering again. Then PMT had a J8 that was cheap as it was a b-stock and agreed to make it cheaper which I was going to go for, but it turned out the plastic was broken, and as at the above gig I had to take the PA off the pole in the subwoofer as it was vibrating with one of the toms, I thought that wasn't good, especially at only 630. Then I discovered the MAUI 11s and 28s and have now watched all the videos of that. Then I reached decision paralysis! * apart from one woman who said our singer wasn't clear as when she had seen Queen at live aid, freddy mercury sounded a lot clearer. So thats me told. That is what he was refering too. The column length of the.. umm column gives the lowest wavelength that will beam. Below that it is omnidirectional. So therefore if all your power above (say) 2k is being beamed horizintally by the colum, and all the sound below is just omnidirectional, when you get further back, there will be less of the lower frequency sound as it has gone everywhere. They have a subwoofer part, but that only goes up to below 1k on the evox, so therefore at distance, the part between the 1k and the 2k drops off before the part above the 2k. I guess that is why I was thinking of the MAUIs, as the column length of those is a lot longer. And they a bit cheaper, and made of wood and metal instead of plastic. But now I am no longer able to think, so no issues.

It was just a note of warning that the truss rod works the other way on them, see the 'I think I have broken my truss rod' threads!

Yes, but it was bringing down the tone of the area :)

Perfect* *If you dont' have a Maruszczyk!

No, diagrams like that are completely meaningless and more than a little irritating. Moving the truss rod in either of those directions would break the neck, as you actually have to turn the nut, and the only two viable ways are clockwise or anticlockwise (or counterclockwise if you are viewing from the states) But obviously the caveat here is, whatever anyone says, this is for a fender style truss rod, and although it is common with 99% of the worlds truss rods, it isn't a 100% accepted standard, there is at least one (and probably only one) who does it the other way round!

I have half dunlop and half shaller. I don't really have that much of a preference (although I guess I would gravitate to the dunlops), but it would probably be handier if they were the same.

What - better than the Basschat orange strap locks????

The answer to all these things is, as always, it depends. If you have a 2x10 that is made of 2 10" speakers that are 8r in parallel, that would make a 4r cab. If you then added another 10" speaker that was 8r externally, then the whole lot would balance nicely, as you would effectively be running 3x10 for a nice 2 2/3 r cab. However, if you decided to to add an 8r cab which is a 2x10, so maybe 2 4r in series or 2 16r in parallle, you have to be aware that your second cab is only getting half the power of your first cab, and if they are as efficient as each other (and all other things are constant), it probably isn't going to bring as much as you want to the party.

Yeh, that is way bigger than mine and you still have a back line - would be nice to get something that could replace that.

I looked into the bose L1s, and the option is either an underpowered expensive L1 Compact, or a more powerful and eye wateringly expensive L1 with some numbers afer it. However, on all the youtube PA videos I have seen in the last week, which is an awful lot, if you are not a singer songwriter playing acoustic guitar in a coffee shop who doesn't mind a lack of reverb, there is no comparison that the L1s win, unless you take money out of any equation. I would still like to hear them though - we played with a group that had the only L1 S2s with some of the B2 bass bins, and swore by them, although I still noticed the guitarist had a 4x12 cab with a marshal and the bassist had a 4x10 harkte with some large amp on it, so I guess they were just doing vocals and maybe bass drum.

I have a backbeat so I don't miss the lows particularly (but then have to contend with the feedback). I have a bass cab to do the bass, the PA does everything else. Except when I take the sub then I put some bass through it. If I had a decent PA that could take everything I would be happy to not have the bass cabs, but not there yet. Or maybe I am - never tried it! Maybe if I got a column speaker to put the vocals through then the guitar / bass / drums could go through the rest of the PA.

Me and the drummer in my band have IEMs. The singer dances round the front of the stage generally in front of the PA so can hear everything. The guitarist was complaining about the fact he couldn't hear the singer. He doesn't want to use IEMs.

Mine gets hot, but not burning hot

That wouldn't really help the audience unless you gave everyone some IEMs!

I was sort of put off by a youtube video from a guy that hires PAs, pointing out that due to the length of the evox j8 head, only frequencies above 2.2k were beam formed, so frequencies between 800hz / 2.2k would be down over a distance as they don't get the directionality of the high frequencies, which obviously makes sense.

The line arrays have an anti-feedback thing so they can be put on the back

Not exactly big, but reading was the music festival, glastonbury was the hippie festival that also had the bikers and hippies that had come down from the stonehenge festival. The music part got more important in recent years.,

But you can - in the way you can with any bass.

I did think it was odd that the news said 'the end of the best glastonbury ever'. I would have thought the best glastonbury ever was in the thoughts of people who were going and their experiences, so it couldn't ever be 'the best'. I would say the best ever was 1983, and it actually couldn't be beaten as I won't ever be 18 again.

Well, I went through another cycle of thinking about the evox. I almost bought one to try out, was going to get a b stock one from PMT (which they have priced pretty high, and had reduced their full stock and then increased again), but it was cracked and it didn't seem worth it. Then someone local was selling a pair for 1k, but sold them while I was out at a gig. Dithered too much, seems a lot of money. Then I spent last night lookng at the reviews of Maui 11 G2s.. But the thing that I am thinking of that with the 2xTS212s and the 12" bass sub, on sunday at the open air gig we had a great sound and that whole lot cost less than £500.