Woodinblack

Are you gonna go my way is a great bass line, but it has a bass solo and several trills and very tricky timing at the end, I wouldn't really class it as a simple bass line at all. I thought we were discussing 1-3 note lines or repetitive patterns?

Sanctified by Nine Inch Nails - but the original, not the one that pino jazzed up!

No, native is 'just' an effects pedal, so you would record a raw guitar / bass straight into the DAW, and all the processing would be done by native. So effectively once you had recorded it you would set up your guitar sound.

I don't have a stomp, although I have used all the others of the series, although I am aware the limitations of the stomp over full helix (native / helix / LT). I do have a HX Effects, which has its own limitations. Indeed - but I was iterating it as it may be confusing for other people reading, as you keep infering that HX edit and a stomp is the same as Native (and by its nature, a full helix), which of course it isn't, even if it may look the same on the screen. Obviously we have different needs, and if you don't use a computer for playing or recording, native would be no use to you unless you were going to take a computer to a gig (which I have done before for other reasons, but always am hesitant to do), or if you practice in the house with your effects pedals, again, probably less use. For those of us currently using the computer for practice or recording (myself included), it is a very compelling option especially as the price takes it down into the low end of the other software for doing that.

I used to use amplitube 3 all the time on my mac, but haven't been using it much because I am using Bias Amp 2, which is pretty wonderful. If I wasn't using that I would have gone for native. I might still go for native as the effects are probably better, although helix has nothing like the same customisation options of Bias Amp Mainstage is a good option but native also has its own host. If in doubt, anyone can download the 14 day trial, which runs just as the full thing until it times out. Native / Helix / LT have the same patches so you can just send them around. Stomp and HX Effects have stripped down patches, so you have to be careful to make sure they aren't too complex.

Yes, that is true, operationally the workflow is the same (other than an instant change in sound), although that isn't a surprise, as they have the same workflow as the full helix and helix rack. But that is not how you refer to them. Using a helix stomp and HX edit doesn't give you what you get from a full helix (or LT or Rack, or Native), as you keep saying, which is misleading. It doesn't give you any more functionality over the stomp on its own, it just gives you another way of editing it. I don't have a stomp so I have no idea how easy or not it is to edit, I know the HX effects and Helix LT are pretty easy to edit, but they both have more buttons, so I don't know how that translates.

You keep saying about HX Edit, like it is somehow related to native, it really isn't. TBH i have HX edit but don't really use it much as it is simple enough to edit on the fly. Native however gives me something I cant do any other way, a completely new helix that is actually more powerful than my HX effects.

Still love it. It is my 'other bass', in that I always take 2 basses to a gig. But unlike the hohner which was a true second bass, ie, a spare, I use this one. I still have to check what we are playing so that I can do it on a 4 but it is just genuinely a fun bass, sounds great, weighs nothing, just easy to play. Thing goes out of tune quite a bit though, which seems odd, as tuning is not something I do often on the ibanezes, certainly nothing I would do more than once on a gig, but with the gretch I would. I though it might be the strings on it, but put new strings on it (which made it sound better), but still goes out of tune. Never mind, certainly can deal with it. The switch got worse, now it doesn't actually stay on one side. it switches fine but then just bounces back to the middle, and I haven't put the varitone in it yet. I almost got a green one the other day as there was one for sale, but I don't need multiples! Playing it live though, it is so lively and bright with a real depth to it. Amazing for the price. Would recommend it to anyone.

Yeh - My pedalboard lives outside with the stuff to go to gigs with. So the native would be quite good to actually explore the options really apart from as I haven't got a full helix, not to put too much in a patch!

For me it is punk and prog. Which is a strange combination when thinking about it. So Geddy Lee, Bruce Foxton (although with him more P basses), and lemmy, yes I guess. I don't associate them with McCartney. I guess it was just a popular in the 70s thing. And they seem popular with punk bands I have noticed in the few occasions I have been near a punk band recently. Maybe it is regional variations. I have never personally seen a punk band with a thunderbird.

Have you tried clearing your caches. You can get it from the Develop menu on the current safari (which you can switch on in preferences->Advanced).

Odd - I associate them with punks, back in the early 80s and now. The last few punk groups I have seen had them. But I don't see too many punk groups, normally at something like tattoo conventions.

If I had a Ric, it would have to stay upstairs. i had a copy, that had to. She hates them. And anything that is mostly brown (unless it is just wood). The one she hated most was a butterscotch telecaster, that wasn't allowed there and an ibanez ATK. The Wenge and spalted poplar ibanezes are allowed. She doesn't like my new Gibson 'the Paul' which has been refinished in brown. Anything traditionally* sunburst or orange also wouldn't stand a chance. * I say traditional - My Maruschyk which is a red to black burst she finds the nicest looking of all my basses and is most welcome there.

Yep, that is why you never see rickenbackers in a punk band. Oh.. hang on

I would agree with that, if you give someone a spec, it matches the spec or it doesn't. If it doesn't match the spec it needs to be fixed to match the spec. Wherever it came from.

I wouldn't even be worrying about the active preamp. A 'good' preamp won't fix a bad sounding bass (and I am not a believer in that much of a difference in preamps, but that is because I play flat) and it sounds more like the pickups are uninspiring.

Odd that it is mono in, but I guess that is a budget choice

Yep, the reason I can get it. Because Maybe you want to record or want the facilities of a full helix? You have said that before, it still isn't correct. The helix native gives you a full helix. The stomp is one channel of a helix, or half a helix if you will. So actually it is a pretty good deal. You can have the stomp as a gigging stomp box and the full helix for recording

Ok to have lot of grind, but make sure you don't increase the heft too much

This is true, I have an effects pedal (a vox) that has a valve hole at the top with a little glowing valve. The irony being it is a cold cathode valve, so the only reason it glows is that it has an orange LED behind it It is good that it is there for the sound, rather than for the marketing, but that is pretty much like ashdown. Although it has to be said, they make the valves pretty prominant and showy in mine. A CTM100.

You mean the knob that determines how much of the signal goes through the ECC83 valve? Yes, it does give a good tube like facsimile for some reason!

Half of my basses are hanging in the living room. My wife doesn't object to them as long as 'I don't put the ugly ones there'.

Yep - I bought my wrongo from aliexpress