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[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1344528058' post='1766041'] I'm going to create a new User (I'll call him [i][b]Unhappy Jack [/b][/i]... no one will ever guess it's me) and hang around on GuitarChat winding up lead guitarists with questions about oxygen-free cables and why you can't use six fuzz pedals simultaneously. [/quote] Duely noted, says the administrator of GuitarChat. You card has been marked sunny Jim! ummm.. Jack! Lol

[quote name='five bellies' timestamp='1344528218' post='1766045'] And to have any value it has to be done in a band context. What sounds good on its own can sound horrible in a mix. Somebody must be in a band and have a drummer and guitarist to bring along. [/quote] Well yes and no. The issues with a 'poor cabinet design' will be apparent if there's a drummer present or not. I'm refering to those brought up in this discussion. Not whether the cabinet cuts through with two guitarists. That's not truly measureable due to the excess of variables.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1344528340' post='1766050'] And we wonder why us bass players get labeled as geeks! [/quote] We love the details eh!

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1344465122' post='1765162'] If you're going to try to do an actually useful and representative scientific test then you need to make it as much like a gig as possible, with all the interesting acoustics, noisy bandmates, variable audience, etc. I've thought about this stuff a lot and have yet to think of a better way to honestly test a cab for yourself than to play some gigs with it. It's nice that people want to understand what's going on and take an analytical approach to bass cab performance (it's how I ended up doing what I do) but it is incredibly complicated and to get a test scenario that produces valid and realistic results would be nigh on impossible. Anyway, who cares whether a panel of other bassists say that cab X is better according to their tests if cab Y works better for you? [/quote] Ahhh, you totally miss understand my suggestion. I don't want a demonstration of what XYZ cabs sound like, the discussion is about why a 4x10 isn't a good design. I want people to hear the effect of 'poor cab design' verses 'good cab design'. I want everyone in this discussion to hear (or not hear) for example the problems with horizontally aligned speakers and easily produced phenomena such as placing cabinets in a corner etc. All these issues get talked about but no one gets to hear it. How about front and rear porting and the issues that *could* bring. Let's stick the wrong type of speaker ina box and hear what difference it makes. Let's throw way too many subsonic frequencies in to a cabinet to see the effect it has on the instrument sound and how the problem can be relieved. I could go on!

I found that for example on the X3 i mixed a guitar amp sim with a clean signal instead of using a distortion pedal effect. Greater control over the tone. You'd be right though. I think it *can* be more difficult to make multi-effect units sound good. Though if you know what you're doing, it is.. Well.. Doable. For example, chaining a parametric EQ to a fizzy distortion to pull down the top end and drive the low mids can be really helpful! The X3 and GT10 made signal chaining easy. It's less easy on say the B3 as you could potentially lose 2 or more slots on distortion shaping alone. I have to admit on my mini rig, i really only use one kind of distortion and that will be left to a seperate pedal i will be modding in due course. That said, i have used the bddi and muff sims on the B3 and they worked well in a band setting.

Obviously a big thumbs up for multi-effects here. I think one of the main points that have been highlighted is that it's important to have an idea of the kind of configuration you'd like before purchasing. This can be very difficult if you are new to effects - but thankfully there is a massive knowledge base right here on BC ready to help. Another massive 'thankfully' goes to the likes of TC Electronic, Zoom, Line 6 and Boss amongst others that manufacture multi-effects machines that have so many different options for a user interface. The Line 6 M series and the Zoom B3 both favour an 'ultimate individual stomp box' approach, whereas the Boss GT10b and Line 6 X3 are full on multi signal path patch menu'd beasts! (Both are pretty easy to program when you get used to the GUI) I've also owned effects racks such as the TC electronic G-Force, G-Major 2 and the old Zoom 9050S. They all have their uses and strengths. I'm very much enjoying the simplicity of the Zoom B3 and TC Nova System at the moment. It truely is horses for courses and modern effects units sounds so much better than older processors. Lots of quality for not much money. Just take a look at the B3! Thats daft money!

[quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1344385222' post='1763871'] Would that make Mick a Rickbacker? [/quote] Yes, but no one is allowed to take pictures of his head.

[quote name='obbm' timestamp='1344364332' post='1763481'] As far as I can remember the switch has something to do with the input limiter of the Class D power amp, certainly nowhere near the output stage. [/quote] Yes, I remember reading this too. The amp is actually capable of peaks of 900W at 4 ohms. Somewhere (maybe in the Bass Gear Magazine review?) they detailed that the impedance switch just throttles the amp back to around 500W in each position.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OcBKbu35nPo Mick Karn and Rick!! (check 2mins04)

Not only the most highly regarded but also bring the 'ugly ducklings' along too. Let's see if there's any surprising results for the underdog!

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1344260957' post='1761833'] Will happily set this up for the next EABB if people will donate amps/cabs to the cause! [/quote] Seriously, lets do this - have a panel of reviewers then post the results on a sticky on BC forever to be referred to. I'm in

I'm a big fan of SVX! It's a great modeller that sounds great in a DAW. Highly recommended.IK Multimedia make great plug ins.

I've just picked up a Zoom B3 and also use a TC Electronic Nova System. To be honest, the B3 is showing itself as a really nice piece of gear - the TC could be up for sale soon. I'll keep just the odd pedal depending on gigs, but I don't own or need a single 'boutique' pedal for any of the gigs I do. Horses for courses, but I'd rather take out a pedal that is easily replaceable that sounds great. I've been looking for an alternative to taking out my Ampeg BSP for ages, I think I've found a couple of cheap boxes that will suffice!

[quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1343948226' post='1757870'] Glad you're getting lots of enjoyment out of it too! What do you think to the distortions? I haven't found any settings that particularly do it for me yet, but the Bass Muff was impressive! [/quote] [quote name='OmeDunk' timestamp='1343975634' post='1757963'] The distortions are probably going to need an EQ block after them to make the best of them. Funnily, I'd never been a fan of the Big Muff type of distortion, but I did use the Muff distortion at the gig and really liked it! I may use a dedicated pedal for a particular drive type. How about compression? Did you use the on board compressor? [/quote] Yup, I think I was using the DBX model just to pull back the transients in slap. Very tidy, very controlled [quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1343976557' post='1757971'] I noticed he put his TC Electronics compressor up for sale the other day, so maybe! I still use my Aguilar at the moment though [/quote] I put the TC up for sale as I was a little short of cash following buying some kit, but realised now I din't need to sell it at all! Oh well! The Nova Dynamics is easily the best fully featured compressor pedal.. And i was daft letting it go. That said, the b3 is more than capable. Im still really impressed.

I gigged mine for the first time tonight after it arrived earlier this week. Yup, that's right, i gigged it without even a band rehearsal to test it. Set up a bunch of sounds for the set and just prayed it was gonna behave. It did with flying colours! Yeah, i'm really impressed! And i am very fussy! I'm more used to running a TC Electronic GForce!! Crazy money for a bullet proof (and idiot proof) unit. So easy to set up a set of patches and use it like normal stomp boxes. I really hope that the B3 gets the G3 update of six effects at once. It dosnt actually need it, but hey, why not! Colour me happy!

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1343871309' post='1756744'] BTW, the entire reason why drivers were placed horizontally in the first place was to accomodate a wide amp, first in combos, then in separates. No consideration was ever given to the dispersion issue because the amp designers weren't aware of it. [/quote] I think that's the answer everyone was actually wanting. Ya know, 'if 4x10s aren't so good, why have them.' I also appreciate that speakers of yore were also not very efficient nor powerful, so multiples of speakers were required to produce the volume. That therefore meant placing them horizontally as well as vertically in to nice neat stackable square boxes.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1343839223' post='1756144'] Will slide-rules & measuring tapes be provided alongside the gaffer tape and sticky buns? [/quote] Going wildly off topic, on the way home from rehearsal this evening I stopped off to do some shopping and spotted these really tasty sticky iced buns. I've not bought one for years and years. Childhood even. Then I read this! It's a sign!!! Ermmm.. Of something... Or other,...

Nope, you can't I'm afriad. just scroll through the lists only,

I would love to see this discussion put in to action. I mean, maybe we should arrange a bass day type meeting with a set of cabinets of different configurations in a room with say a couple of amps and some source material - say, recordings of a Bass guitar that can be repeated for each test. THEN have some techie guinea pigs up front to describe and demonstrate these 'issues' accurately. We'd all be able to have a clear understanding of what these polar problems and phasing problems [b]sound[/b] like. Right?