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Aubergine / Chris Rea
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Is a new mass-produced bass ever worth more than £1500
tegs07 replied to Beedster's topic in General Discussion
It’s been twenty years since I spent any length of time in Asia. Back then conditions in manufacturing and construction were a fair way from what I was accustomed to in Europe. A lot may have changed since, but I don’t have any firsthand knowledge. All I have to go on is reports in the media. They may just be sensationalist eg Foxconn etc. -
crash - the primitives
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please read the letter - plant/kraus
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Is a new mass-produced bass ever worth more than £1500
tegs07 replied to Beedster's topic in General Discussion
Yako Musical Instruments Company makes the Chinese produced Fenders I think. I have no idea what the working conditions or pensions are like but I would hazard a guess that offshore production with a 3rd party is cheaper and more transient than being employed directly by Fender in the USA. With the advent of CNC technology labour is the biggest cost involved in production. If the price of labour increases then I would expect the price of the finished product to increase as well. -
Is a new mass-produced bass ever worth more than £1500
tegs07 replied to Beedster's topic in General Discussion
Huzzah for European socialism. I would not say for one moment I prefer the US economic model! Give me a higher tax, more public services model anytime. I’m just relaying a simple point that the labour costs add to the price of the US instruments and those costs are increasing. -
Is a new mass-produced bass ever worth more than £1500
tegs07 replied to Beedster's topic in General Discussion
Personally I don’t think US basses are expensive, particularly from a historical perspective. They are just expensive when compared to instruments produced in low wage countries that don’t have to factor in workers rights such as health and safety, pensions etc. Economies of scale come into play as well. Ernie Ball produce far less instruments than Fender. -
Is a new mass-produced bass ever worth more than £1500
tegs07 replied to Beedster's topic in General Discussion
Not really. It’s an average. Doesn’t say if mode, mean or median. I would think your estimate of $20 an hour would probably be about right for a factory worker. Bearing in mind labour costs are the main reason USA basses are more expensive. It’s a big reason why nobody wants to pay for them. It’s all well and good supporting pay rises, but if people won’t accept the costs involved in the end products and services then it doesn’t look promising for the workforce. I would guess this is a big reason 300 were sacked in 2022. Corporate greed is only one factor. Consumer choice is the other issue. Since GATT and later WTO agreements western manufacturers have a tough time making products that can compete with labour costs in other countries. -
subterranean homesick blues - dylan
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waiting in vain - bob marley
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riders on the storm - the doors
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dig lazerus dig - nick cave
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Is a new mass-produced bass ever worth more than £1500
tegs07 replied to Beedster's topic in General Discussion
“200,000 sq. ft. facility employs close to 1,000 employees. The new facility, located at 345 Cessna, will add hundreds of jobs to support Fender’s Custom Shop and “Made in the USA” production lines across Fender®, Gretsch®, Jackson®, Charvel®, and EVH®products”. Unfortunately around 300 staff were laid off in 2022. Google suggests average US Fender salary is $56,000. I would hazard a guess that the Mexican factory pays less and the Chinese and Indonesian factories way way less and produce far more instruments. -
catch - the cure
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people are strange / doors
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Is a new mass-produced bass ever worth more than £1500
tegs07 replied to Beedster's topic in General Discussion
I had a custom bass made. It was nice to support a local luthier and see the work in progress. For some inexplicable reason though I keep getting active basses and never gel with them. The one I had made was active. I don’t know why I keep repeating this? Maybe eventually I will find one I like or get broke trying? -
Is a new mass-produced bass ever worth more than £1500
tegs07 replied to Beedster's topic in General Discussion
It’s worth noting that a custom luthier doesn’t have to pay the wages of around 3000 employees. As with most things retail it’s a race to the bottom dollar. Consumers have massive choice and want the best price they can get. It’s a tough and competitive business. Personally I like a no frills instrument and the no nonsense P works well for me. It doesn’t need to be a Fender but the one I have is a keeper. -
I would guess that they do it by a combination of rock bottom Chinese labour prices and the distribution capacity and relative low cost web based sales of Thoman’s online platforms. The couple I have tried have been very good for the price but a little on the heavy side.
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I’m pretty sure Reverend instruments are made in South Korea where labour is cheaper ( and if squid game or parasite are indicative inequality fairly rife). It’s not looking great for US or European manufacturing if inflation continues on its current trajectory.
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rosetta stoned - tool
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free nelson mandela - special a.k.a
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nah it was right the first time. never trusted that roger daltry fella.
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Well the USA in particular got away with it for years due to the petrodollar (world reserve currency). They could buy commodities in $, get the host countries to re-invest the profits in US treasuries then print and debase the currency at will as it wasn’t backed by anything substantial (gold). These IOUs on maturity were later worth less. This ruse is all but over with the BRICs moving away from the $. This won’t help inflation or price increases one bit. Banks haven’t needed to pay interest. Deposits are not required in the same way when central banks are offering QE liquidity at rock bottom rates. As for manufacturing well that takes energy and the gas and oil is largely imported and though the prices have stabilised they are still historically high. This is not good for inflation. I think people sense that they are being scammed but don’t quite understand by who.
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A picture tells a thousand words and all that. I’m really not sure what is so controversial about the fact that there has been a massive rise in public and private borrowing over the last two decades and interest rates have been far below their historical average. It seems fairly basic economics to me that: a) a huge increase in borrowed money would mean prices would increase. b) At some stage interest rates would rise and the debt would need to be paid back at a higher cost than it was borrowed for. c) this would cause big problems. d) anything that could be done to slow down the rate of interest rate rises should have been done well in advance. Slamming the brakes on was never going to be smooth.