tegs07

Black planet - sisters of mercy

The trumpton riots - half man half biscuit

This may be more to do with age than snobbery. When I was in my teens cheap instruments were just nasty.

Well they don’t call them cunning without reason but yes Geese aren’t delicate and serene. I was happier dealing with the pigs than the geese. One was frankly terrifying but I am a squeamish city wuss.

I agree re small scale farming. It’s a vocation not exploitation from what I have witnessed. Sheep in particular are just desperate to be turned into lamp chops. I have never seen animals needing so much time and energy just to stop them killing themselves and that’s without predators. I once saw a small family pet dog loose in a friends field. We are not talking pit bull just your average fluff- ball mongrel mutilate 3 sheep in a matter of minutes before it was brought under control. Foxes and chickens are on another level. Even digging a foot down and using wire mesh the swines got in and I swear they do this for sport as much as food. Had to resort to a concrete trench in the end.

I get a kick out of you - loads of people will go with Tony Bennet

You do realise I’m just being facetious?

Sorry I thought this was a general discussion. I stand corrected. No I would not buy a new leather or vegan strap possibly because I am a skin flint or maybe for ethics ( won’t go into that as it probably slips into your irrelevant criteria) but would get a second hand leather one. It does age well, particularly when treated with Brookes saddle cream. This is not vegan but does taste like vegan mayonnaise.

I go through periods of being vegan and agree most of the substitute stuff is unpleasant and heavily processed. I also have to steer myself away from too much coconut milk as it’s very fattening.

For people that like eating meat and upholstering their cars and furniture presumably.

Quite a simple point - you asked if I’d be happy with the flayed dead skin of an animal around my shoulders which is a bit emotive so I responded and raised some points for discussion. I thought that was the point of a debate???

I was a vegetarian for nearly 30 years until I spent some time with a friend who runs a small holding. The care, time and expense of raising livestock is quite extraordinary. He largely feeds his family from what he produces and the veg only goes so far. Nothing is wasted, including the flayed dead skin as you call it. It was an interesting experience. I eat meat now, but try to eat small quantities from a reputable butcher wherever possible. I don’t like the idea of industrial production of meat but at the other end of the spectrum I am not sure what the future of many animals that have been traditionally farmed would be without a market for meat and it’s byproducts. At best as as prey for predators in the wild (have you ever seen what a domestic dog is capable of) and at worst many are so domesticated they would just die out as breeds that are no longer capable of survival without human intervention. There is also the issue of where they could live in the overcrowded world with declining natural habitats.

9 to 5 - Dolly Parton

I feel free - Cream

Daytripper - the Beatles

Running on empty - Jackson Browne

(don’t fear) the reaper - blue oyster cult

Paint it black - Stones

Mad about the boy - Dinah Washington

Do Nothing - The Specials

Truck driver divorce - Zappa

Baba O’Reily - The Who

Don’t leave me this way - The Communards

There’s a ghost in my house - The Fall

Where the streets have no name - U2