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Man this brings back some memories for me. Why do drunk people think that everyone in the bar wants to hear them sing rather than the band? It happened to us so many times. Then there was the can I sing? Every time they were rotten and if you refused they got shirty.

Its not the same though. Phil collins can't physically play drums as he is too frail. Vince Neil can still hit the notes but he's so fat and out of shape that he is breathless when he sings. Losing weight and getting fitter will help him but I'm afraid Phil Collins has no future playing drums.

He needs to get in shape. You can hear that he is hitting the high notes no problem but he's out of breath and his diction suffers because of it. Slowing down would indeed help. Or just get fitter.

Thing is Vince Neil can still actually sing. It's his physique that is letting him down and he is hitting the notes but can't run around and sing anymore. He is apparently trying to get back into shape for this tour. You can hear he hits the notes but doesn't form the words clearly as he's so out of breath.

I remember one of my favourite video games was out in the 90's Road Rash for the PS1. It was a great game with a superb soundtrack of more or less all grunge bands.

Very reasonably priced too.

Just heard that the original bass player for the Quo has died today. Sad news.

Yeah, you can dig up any amount of footage showing Vince Neil over weight and struggling to sing but they have remained one of the highest grossing bands of all time and they are about to embark on another tour. They continue to sell out stadiums.

I was always a rocker at heart and loved metal and rock bands. When Grunge appeared I thought I like this new type of music. I do think the term is ridiculous right enough as it seems all you had to do was come from Seattle in the early 90's and you were grunge. The variety between bands was quite noticeable. I pretty much liked them all apart from a couple. I couldn't get into the Melvins and others just didn't float my boat. The big players were all up my street and I liked their music. I do tend to be quite easy to please right enough as I pretty much like most music unless it's dull and lifeless. (Like jazz funk)

I think utterly destroyed is a bit wide of the mark. Hanoi Rocks have always been doing what they do quietly. They were never a hair metal band anyway. More a rock n roll band. Skid row disappeared once they parted ways with Sebastian Bach although they are still going. Motley Crue continue to be huge. The rest I can give you.

Same here. You hear Steve Harris isolated bass and it sounds relatively rough (certainly not the dead on, syncopated track I would expect.) It just shows what a real band sounds like and what makes it so organic. I remember many years ago we did a demo in a studio. We played the songs in one take and listened back. I remember saying I'm going to have to re-do the bass. It sounds rough as hell. The engineer said leave it with me, I will tidy it up. I couldn't believe it. He made me sound really good in the final mix.

I never said it was new. It was relatively new and Nirvana were the first to be mainstream. No genre of music just appears. It's the same with heavy metal. Everyone tries to say this band or that band and fair enough Black Sabbath were among the first but it is always an evolving thing usually many bands contribute to this.

I think it was partly because it was groundbreaking music. Grunge was quite new at the time. Certainly with me it brought something out in me. I was a metal head but I thought this music sounds better, newer, dirtier. Then there was the fact that they wrote such good songs.

We used to get people asking for songs. "Don't know it mate". " Aye ye do, it goes dee doo dah dee doo". As if we are going to suddenly go "oh you're right we do know it after all mate, thanks for reminding me!"

Definitely! Just look at the Clash or the Skids. Top musicians!

I also think, up this way, If you try to talk to audiences in bars they can't hear you anyway. When you sing it comes over nice and clear but the spoken word is quite indistinct over the bustle of the pub. You quite often hear bands talking and you are thinking what did he say? If you see professional bands playing in big concert halls, usually they shout into the mic plus the audience will all keep quiet when the band talk. We used to get a decent enough reception but to most punters you are background noise. Fair enough people won't stay if you are bad background noise but background noise it is. Punters like to have the noise of a band to accompany their shouting and laughing but certainly in one of the pubs we played in very few people were actually actively watching the band. I will add, on nights when no band was playing, this same bar used to be quiet.

Many years ago when we were in our very first version of our band we used to regularly play with another band who were technically more proficient than us, more experienced and had better gear but we always blew them off the stage at dances. Why? Because we played songs which, although may have been easier to play, we better floor fillers and we used to enjoy ourselves on stage. We were like the Scorpions and Motley Crue combined with our antics. We didn't give a toss. Nine times out of ten the audience liked this and gave us a good reception.

Thats such a coincidence. I was only just watching a video on Youtube. It was Nikki Sixx interviewing Slash and they were talking about how John 5 ALWAYS rehearses with a metronome and if you listen to that guy he is so technically gifted. A while back I was trying to learn banjo ( I took a notion) and any videos I saw stressed that metronomes are such an important part of learning to play not just literally in time but smoothly as well.

Everyone gets old and as we know looks aint everything!

This is excellent! Steve Stevens playing rhythm and lead at the same time. The guy is a machine and old Billy still has it in him to belt out the old songs!

Incredibly hard to do if you have no one getting up and silence after every number. You start to question is there something wrong? I remember playing at a party once and it was far too bright. No one wants to get up and make a tit of themselves when everyone can see. Towards the end of the night a guy spoke to me and I moaned about the lack of effort on the party goers. "Oh, you were fine, once you started playing more dancey stuff people got up" We started the night off playing our best numbers. Numbers that we knew would normally get people up. I was cheesed off with the venue for having the dance in full light. Many years before we played at a wedding out of town. We arrived and there was a boy and a girl on fiddle and accordion. The poor souls were trying but no one was up on the floor. I went straight up and set up our lights and turned the house lights off. Immediately people got off their seats. The couple were quite grateful.

Cheers mate, it's back to normal now. Was doing my head in.

Happened loads of times with my massively passively aggressive guitarist mate. Band rehearsal and we would decide on a song to do. Ok, is everyone in agreement that we will do this one? Right, learn it for next week. Next week, right, has everyone learned the song? Guitarist mate...No but I have learned this one, have a go its just E, A, C etc, etc. It used to drive me up the wall. We would end up not doing certain songs that had been voted in because he didn't fancy it and would rather learn one that he likes.

I've noticed in the last couple of days that the view on my bass chat has changed and has a third of the page blacked out instead of filling my screen like it used to. I have tried rebooting and that hasn't worked. As soon as I view a post its the same. Has Basschat changed its default view or is it at my end? I'm attaching a screen shot to illustrate