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This has been an internal struggle for quite a while! I just honestly don't know which set I'd go for...

My main bass is a VT4, plays like a dream, super light, but I have a love hate relationship with the tone... I HATE the preamp (glock?), the pick ups (delano) fare better in passive, but that being said I'm dying to swap them out for something a bit more traditional... I quite like the shape of if, but to me their new jazz shape just looks awful!

Update/mini review(?) I ended up getting the 3 leaf audio octabvre mini to replace my t16 as the tap dancing thing of boosting another pedal felt like it would get the better of me... Gigged the octabvre mini last night, and massively impressed! It doesnt go quite as low sub wise as the T16 (which seems to go to pure sub bass) but when dialled into oc2 territory it has enough low end and headroom to shake the room comfortably whilst still giving that oc2 character. For context, set up was: Sandberg VT4 (neck pick up, passive) > Aguilar TH500 > Barefaced Big Twin II. I mainly use this as solo octave setting for EDM tunes (prodigy, faithless etc) I was worried with it not having the same lows as the T16 that it wouldn't have the same impact, but it sounded almost as if because it wasnt throwing SO much pure sub freq at the amp, the amp could better handle what it was given and in turn shook the room while retaining character. I struggled to get that balance with the T16, as it seemed to quickly go from pure sub to fuzzy with not much in the middle. Early days but possibly my favourite bass purchase to date! Edit: tracking was also FAR superior to the T16, going up to low G comfortably, and not bottoming out on certain notes (my T16 would go mega quiet on a high Bb or high F in particular)

Basstheworld.com did a review of these recently, but the whole thing seemed to be to make sure everyone knew they were inspired by Sandberg (or at least that's how it came across to me)... I think they seem great for the money!

I've contacted Tom a few weeks ago about the clean knob issue but had no reply so assumed hes stowed off! I'm not the best at pedalboard tap dancing, but DO have a spark mini on my board, so a boosted oc-10 may be a cheaper alternative to going for a new high end pedal!

It's the T-16 v2 that I have... recently had to have a new clean pot fitted due to it catching a punter at a recent gig so not sure if that's caused it. As I found out last night though mid insomnia; when it doesnt want to play and you kick the pedal in full Oct down, and all you get is a filtered clean note

Does anyone know what the headroom is like on the oc-10? My cog T-16 looks like it's on its last legs, and it's really important to what we do. I need that big synth sub sound, but scared other pedals wont have the same headroom as the T-16 😬

All Beauties! I was tempted by the silver asat on classicandcoolguitars.com recently that looked identical... Does the strap peg in the upper fret area not get in the way though?

Truss rod wheel at the base of the neck always made more sense to me (not sure if possible on neck thru though) Definitely agree with top loading bridges, they're an absolute godsend! Musicman/Sandberg et al style quick access battery boxes (without the flimsy battery clip and wires)

Evening all! The TH500 seems to be a much praised head, and there are many many posts etc online talking about and alluding to the unique gain structure, control relationships and the learning curve etc... but there doesn't appear to be an idiot friendly guide to getting a loud, clean tone from it! I recently asked for advice on the Aguilar owners Facebook page, and got far more help than anticipated, but mostly contradictory and not beneficial. Dave Boonshoft of Aguilar even posted the following: "Okay, well the input gain, master and tone controls are all before the power section, so you are controlling the amount of gain to the power section. EQ that is boosted is an actual increase in gain on those frequencies. Use the input gain and the master to create the gain structure you like the sound of. There is no reason to turn one control all the way down or to turn one up to any pre-determined point. Generally turning the input gain down on the town Hammer will be cleaner unless you have created a lot of gain with the other controls-which could still cause clipping. The Power section is set for its full output. If your bass has a hot output you may like using the input pad. It works exactly the same as turning down the input gain pot; but may give you a bit more flexibility. I hope this helpful! Remember that everything is interactive- sensitivity of the cab, bass output, effects pedal. Also, one thing people don’t necessarily think about-playing style." While really helpful, and massively above and beyond on the customer service front, I'm still struggling... What I'm looking for is "gain+drive+Master = loud and clean" levels of simple, which doesn't seem to exist! Every time I've gigged this head I've had non stop clipping, and when I've kicked in the sub bass, fugettaboutit! No bottom end, unbearable clipping! I've tried lowering the gain, which dropped the volume, and when upping the master caused more clipping, I've tried upping the gain, which caused clipping, upping the drive, lowering the master etc etc... I've heard that boosting the EQ causes clipping, but surely that's counter intuitive?! All I want is a nice big CLEAN tone that plays well with pedals at loud enough volume to compete with a hard hitting drummer, and synth obsessed keyboard player! Anybody have, or care to make a quick idiots guide for idiots like me, who are finding the learning curve too steep? Thanks!

I always get surprised how many people look to me for the bass 'solo' in Kasabian's Club Foot. Yes, it's a bass heavy tune, but with the amount of drive piled on I always assumed the un-initiated would think it was guitar; yet every time, it's all eyes on me before I've hit the first note of it!

You'll undoubtedly have seen Scott Devine on the old youtoob, but I always all in love with precision basses when I hear him play one, then play one myself and fall out of love with them just as quick.

Spector Rebop 4MM owner here... Probably not the purists definition of a spector with the pick up config etc... But I'm absolutely smitten with mine. The neck is a little bit fatter than I'm used to, but hasn't taken much adjustment to get on with

So after buying a sub n up to replace the T16... then buying a second sub n up because I loved the capabilities of the first one so much... I discovered there's an internal tone pump adjuster inside the body cavity! I dropped that 1/8th of a turn, and it'll now play nicely with my T16! I now have 3 varients of sub octaves that I'm likely to never need, but hopefully this info will help someone else down the line, as I haven't found it anywhere else

I know, but due to the spector not playing well with analogue, the next best bet seems to be finding a digital pedal that can get near the sub tones needed for EDM et al...

Been looking at the Sub n Up last night actually, I'd rather the issue be fixed at the pedal than having to buy other basses. I'd have thought with the toneprint editor I'd be able to get close(-ish) enough to the big analogue sub settings on my T16. Any prolific Sub n Up users had any experience with MM bridge pick ups?

Thanks for the help and advice, gents :). Not the answers I was hoping for, but it is what it is

The thought of going to a digital pedal gives me shudders... What about running a compressor before the T16? Could that maybe tame things enough? Failing that, I may have to buy a cheap precision to use on those tunes.

It doesn't unfortunately, and it's a boost only 2 band eq! 😬 Would the T47 running at 18v not handle it a bit better perhaps?

I'm thinking you both may have hit the nail on the head... Any suggestions on how to make them play nice? I'm planning on selling the Sandberg and don't really want to keep such a nice bass for 2/3 songs max.