Al Krow

It sure is. Doesn't work with B2-4 unfortunately?

I would have gladly traded up my B1-4, which has the same chip set as your B3n, for a B2-4. But I keep come back to the editing software on the B2-4 only being for iOS and and not Android/PC. Why?!

Hmmm...not sure about the analogy? Don't many of the 4/10 UK marriages that don't last, end precisely because one party tried a side piece first?! Besides open relationships seems to be much more of a thing with Gen Z - guess that's a bit like bandmates depping for other outfits?

Haha no - it's was my mic for my occasional BVs and audience chat! I just swapped mine with the lead singers - obvs for BVs the SM58 can sit lower in the mix than you would want your lead vox mic to be set at. As mentioned a little earlier in the thread, we measured the difference and the AKG D7S gave an additional 6dB headroom (in terms of desk settings at least) before feedback kicked in vs the SM58.

I think it depends on what the ambition for the band is, and also what stage of development it's at? If it's established and a purely "for fun" project then I agree, it should hopefully be relaxed e.g. my previous band which was a more "for fun" project and had a very stable line-up for it's final 6 years with no-one leaving. which was lovely. And when two key band members left back in 2022-23 (one emigrated, the other just felt it was getting too busy for him) it did lose quite a lot in terms of comradery. My current crew is a more semi-pro outfit and I'm very conscious that gig fees are a significant source of income for several of my bandmates. We have a crew of 7 on rotation, going out as a 4 piece, so if particular individuals weren't willing to put in the time and effort to make it work then they'd be asked to leave 'cos it wouldn't be fair on the rest. I guess I'm lucky that, 4 years in, we've got a lovely bunch of musos and gigging/working with them is a lot of fun. We're defo still not 100% free from occasional band angst - but your point about being able to have a grown-up chat is 100% spot on. It's not something I've always got right in times past, but hopefully something I'm getting better at.

I guess I'm fortunate with my lead vox then, haha! The two of the three female lead singers who have been using SM58s were both completely sold on our live performance experience of Set 1 being plagued by feedback, and then Set 2 being feedback-free with just one change to the set up at the interval: swapping-out their SM58 for my AKG D7S!

Yeah probably semantics? If someone's asked to leave a band against his or her wishes, by their bandmates that's a "sacking" in my books, even if it's done in a civil manner. But, as you say, it really should start with a grown-up chat if at all possible.

Tbf bands, including amateur ones, sack band members all the time, right? Sometimes a band member just doesn't click, isn't cutting it or prepared to put in as much as other band mates to grow the project etc. There's a myriad of reasons. But the point about treating people how you would want to be treated is absolutely the right one: pretty sure that A would hate the rest of the band treating him the way he's treating B?

Yeah, bands playing covers eh? Not sure the Zoutons are complaining too much about the royalty cheques they're getting each year, though?

Nice one Dave! Thank god for the Zoutons, eh?!

Very nicely put Gav! Particularly like that final para, albeit the VTDI is £250 not £99, but that's splitting hairs on the philosophical point. Hope you manage to land one used in due course.

I didn't come across the Stone Roses until a few years back. Instantly fell in love with their sound and Mani's awesome bass lines! RIP - you've gone too soon, but as a musician you achieved so much.

All good / valid points gents! Genuine real-world question: how much of the sound and feel is going to be preserved (or lost!) depending on the amp & cab or FoH set-up that you are going through when playing live with a band? What is going to be a "necessary minimum" quality set-up to hear the lush tones this is producing in a live band mix?

Sure, but it can also be a question of cost and value for money as well as how pretty the pedals look? For some folk spending £900 on two pedals, whose job can be done by just one other which is well regarded and well established, for a fraction of the price, is also not going to be rational or potentually indeed affordable. So whilst the discussion may be tedious to some, it can also provide useful information to others?

Thanks. It is indeed possible to turn the speaker sim off on the VTDI, but I guess I'm looking for a comparison of the two pedals as standalone - shame I no longer have my VTDI otherwise I could have loaned it to you to do a proper A/B, Peter!