Al Krow

I totally get you not wanting to be too reliant on an audience member - we just stand mount our camera and try to remember to stop it going into standby mode every 30 mins!

That all makes sense. So we are not hearing the audio from the DJI itself, just the video?

Agreed - that's very decent image and sound quality! A 1" chip does seem to be the magic number for indoor low light gigs. Given the cost did you consider getting something like one of the Sony a6000 series with its APS-C chip + a Rode stereo mic, which combined will be in a similar price bracket? Here's some low light footage from our gig on Fri night for you and Russ to give some comparison of that set up - Al Krow (@al_krow) • Instagram photos and videos

Makes a lot of sense. Human hearing doesn't typically go below 20Hz so anything below that is just subsonic high-energy crud! High passing / low cutting those sub sonic frequencies will leave the subs free to focus on the 30Hz+ range which is as low as a 5 string bass goes anyway. It seems to me that would always make sense in a pub venue which is what this thread is about. Just wondering whether it would also hold true in a larger dance club situation where the punters are enjoying "feeling" the bass?

Nice board Lee! Know what you mean about the EBS filter. I've recently got one and I can't recall another filter pedal that's done such a good job for the money for me. I like it as much as my previous 3Leaf Proton Mk4 and it's a fraction of the price. The Q dial adds a really nice touch.

While you're at it maybe give the Q-Tron filter a try out on it. Ok so it doesn't match my new all time favourite (EBS IQ) dedicated filter pedal, but it's not bad!

@Woodinblack - just pulling you onto this thread, as your point maybe of wider interest. If you still have a B1-4 then worth adding the ZNR sim to your patches - it's definitely part of the signal chain within your created patches. I've got it on a pretty heavy duty ZNR setting and it does make a really positive difference.

Resurrecting this old thread...why? ...because I've recently replaced my Proton Mk4, which is a great piece of kit, with an EBS IQ filter for a fraction of the cost and finding I'm really liking this new pedal! I suspect it's rapidly in danger of becoming my all time favourite filter pedal. The Q (bandwidth) function adds a delicious swell in a live setting. Really nice review of its capabilities: Pascal Mulot demo of EBS BassIQ Blue Label Envelope Filter How it sounds in a live mix: Al Krow (@al_krow) • Instagram photos and videos

See that Bax and Thomann are now £655 / £659 on these => around £500 for a used one in the near future? That's decent value. But kit doesn't have to be eye wateringly expensive to be good though. Eg many used Yamaha BBs

Interesting that you found the RCF subs to be noticeably better. Can you remember which model you used? The RCF 705s look like a decent compromise of weight/power but won't be able to compete price wise with the Altos.

I'm very interested in hearing whether B6 and B2-4 users are finding the additional DSP on their multis is a definite step up in "sound" from the B1-4? One aspect that might be noticeable is that some of my effects patches on my B1-4 are quite noisy, but I deal with that by using the ZNR (noise gate) sim as standard across most of my patches. If the ZNR is not needed on the B2-4 and B6 then that, in itself, is a good sign!

Just came across the Bass #9 setting - makes for a really good tight-tracking octave up!

I think you may be right about the MS-60B+ ! Compared to the B1-4: - the MS-60B+ has got 6 slots per patch (one more than the B1-4), 100 patch memories (vs 50 on the B1-4); better processor & upgraded sims, ability to send a split signal to PA (e.g. with cab sim) and to amp (e.g. with no cab sim), more compact form factor; - the B1-4 has drum machine, basic looper, headphone capability, aux in and ability to edit using PC compatible software - all features I make use of and would miss. On top of all that it's ridiculously good value.

Oh that's interesting - they've set up the new MS-60B+ with 6 slots on each patch. Wonder why the difference between the two?

Totally agree about the ZNR ("Zoom Noise Reduction") being a must - that's a standard block on pretty much all my B1-4 patches.

Not for me, but if it scratches folk's multi-fx itch in a way that a bunch of other multis don't then it's got a market, just as vinyl records have.

This is the MS-60B+ thread, the clue's in the title 😁 I'm planning on getting the MS-60B+ (as you were on Sunday evening apparently?) which is basically a cut down B2-4, in stomp box size, which will be easy to incorporate as part of a pedal board but maybe with a little midi pedal for live use.

Ah yes that one's a very different beast indeed to the MS60B+ and harks back nicely to the 90's 😄

Which Boss multifx are you referring to?

Yeah, similarly I guess I'm just going to have to get adept at editing on the pedal itself and, fingers crossed it won't be too painful! I'm hopeful that this is going to be a decent step up in processing power/sound quality from my B1-4. I do love the compact form factor and combining with a little midi pedal may further enhance its live use.

I've just emailed them to ask / encourage them to do exactly that for the B2-4 and MS-60B+ 😊

Road tested the ZARs tonight in a full live band setting. I won't be going back to the ZS 10s!! It was perhaps the first time I've actually enjoyed having IEMs rather than feeling "they do a job". Clarity was so much better - I was able to significantly reduce both the bass in my personal mix and the overall IEM volume setting too, and consequently found myself getting a much better band mix as well as hearing my bass really well. I appreciate that's just my personal experience from one gig with the ZAR's, after many using ZS 10s, so feedback from the other recent purchasers on this thread, once they've had a chance to use them live also, will hopefully either confirm my comments, or give a more balanced picture.

See - this thread has already proved its worth! 😅

There's a slightly cryptic comment in the recent Guitar World review: "the versatile stompbox can be paired with Zoom's Guitar Lab app for iOS (the Apple equivalent is coming soon)". Not sure what is being hinted at by 'the Apple equivalent is coming soon'?

And the nice thing about the Boss LS-2 is that it has individual volume controls so you can then tailor your mix of clean and drive to suit. Could be a neat solution for the OP in fattening his sound with minimal loss of low end? IME low-end suck with bass drives, resulting in "less" bass in the mix is something I've often found I've had to guard against in a live mix.