Al Krow

Cheers John - ordered! So that was just under £6 for those feet covers...and another £94 just spent on a HB Iso12 Power Supply to put under my Metro 24 board (and gawd knows what the final tally will come to if I end up getting more pedals). BC is definitely not a cheap place to hang out lol!

Awww...you lot. ALL lack killer instinct. You'd make really shit Premier League footballers 😂😂

@HazBeen might himself, or one of his contacts, be able to pick it up for you - and he's over in the UK pretty regularly. We could do a bass relay! Just a thought.

Brilliant result - congrats!! You can finally get that white BB1024 itch, scratched. I'm looking forward to finding out how it stacks up against the rest of your not too shabby herd!

I'm not suggesting anything as fancy as a SM + BB2 Just a single BB2 instead of two SMs. The cost should be less, but you won't get quite as big a sound from just one speaker as you will from two 12" speakers. It will, however, be very convenient!

Alex describes a SM as a mini BB2. Another alternative to two SMs might be a single BB2.

Yup agreed! @jrixn1 - dumb Q, but the £5.84 "Buy 1" = a pack of 4 i.e. you're not just getting one, I assume?

It's super annoying that you can't easily remove the bolts to raise the height of the feet on the PT boards, by inserting washers or taller rubber / plastic feet, to give you clearance for anything but the shallowest PSUs - so this looks like a superb hack John! I've just measured the existing plastic feet on my Metro 24 and they're 24.5mm at their widest at the base. I'm guessing that's the same as on the Nano? If so, then the same 22mm caps with a bit of stretch to hold them securely would also be the right ones to get for me. And the drop of glue suggestion a sensible additional fix. I think you've just extended the shelf life of my Metro 24 and I won't need to be putting it up for sale just yet - cheers!

It's certainly been different! Fewer gigs but FINALLY realising the bleeding obvious - what gear you have matters far far less than what you actually do with it. It really is all in the fingers! 😉

Got me thinking that as we're seeing end-of-line prices for these RH750 amps, which came out pretty much exactly 10 years ago, and with the exceptional value for money BG 250 series also recently stopped being produced, what's next for TC amps? A mini Plethora X5 preamp with multifx toneprint capability bolted onto a 750W power amp, with presets, and a wireless footswitch?

If it's mint, I'd agree with Andy, worth going up to £500, given it's your first choice colour.

@Reggaebass - did you mention a while back that you were on the look out for a white BB1024?

Actually, being able to see the fretboard on a darkened stage and not starting Bon Jovi in the wrong key is probably a good idea...although the look on the guitarist's face was priceless 😁

If only they didn't flash out EVERY wrong and occasional right note you ever play during the course of a 2 hour, I'd be reaching for my wallet 😁 Feature set does otherwise look great, particularly being able to store several of your favourite EQ settings.

We're clearly struggling with aging memories...for the life of me, I can't remember you ever commenting about me mentioning that before.

Looking forward to the 235, coming up shortly on a BC thread near you. Can't be doing without that low B thumb-rest string 😁

For me the difference is mainly down to choice of flats vs rounds Both sound really good.

A few basses do seem to plummet in value from their new price, but the flip side is that... I only wish used Spectors didn't hold their value so well!

Not sure - the tolex and CF layer have been a little damaged too and you'll see that the top edge is very slightly bent. The other top corner was similarly damaged (slightly less) and one other corner plastic cracked. The CEO has been very very supportive indeed - and it's always hugely impressive when the CEO takes a personal interest. He's offered to replace the cab under warranty and to provide the newer more robust protective strips and corners. I actually only emailed them to ask if they would be interested in my feedback on the cab and my concerns around construction rather than looking for a replacement under warranty, as I'd already agreed with Mark at BD that I'd be returning the cab for a refund.

It was as if the damaged top edge had been slammed underneath some other kit in transit. But having seen the courier (DX) load the cab back into the van for the return journey, must admit I wasn't massively impressed with the care they were taking.

The BB2 doesn't have a tweeter control per se. You may be thinking of the crossover knob which I take (maybe mistakenly?) to be the equivalent of a Markbass VLE from the way Alex describes its operation, which is as follows: "At the twist of a knob the complex crossover takes you from old school bass cab smoothness to uncompromising studio monitor accuracy" I had this set at 8/10 throughout which is I how I prefer it, i.e. pretty much at the studio monitor accuracy end. Dialling this back would have given a more "old school" / less bright sound, which would have resulted in an even more relatively mellow tone i.e. exacerbated the differences further that we were already hearing. In terms of wooden boxes, I think BF are still top of the pile in terms of power / weight ratio. And frankly you're not going to ever go too far wrong with any of the BF 112s and if you can handle the additional weight a VK 410 LNT (at 52 lbs) would be awesome!

TLDR: I agree with @MOSCOWBASS and @johnpaulbass that the GR cabs stand up on a sound test very well to a high-end lightweight cab such as BF and I think all three of us would say that the GR wins on overall sound quality, with an understandably bigger margin over the Super Compact than its more full range sibling the BB2. If GR can address construction concerns with their AT series cabs, they will most certainly have a winning product on their hands. Sadly the cab had to go back due to one edge and associated corners being damaged by the courier en route. Tbf I've seen a lot better packaging of cabs from fellow BC'ers than occurred here : the retailer didn't have a particularly well fitting box, no bubblewrap and very minimal use of polystyrene both of which would have shielded the cab a lot better. But I get the sense that courier transport of cabs isn't risk free from comments elsewhere, although this experience didn't help with my concerns regarding the robustness of construction of these cabs. Barefaced BB2 vs GR AT212-4 mini-shootout GRBass AT212, 4Ω - 700w, 12.9kg, 4Ω, 35Hz - 222kHz, 102dB. Signal chain: Spector Euro LX5 and DG M900 set flat / clean. "Lockdown A/B" done with assistance from a family member who is a classically trained musician and undoubtedly has younger and better hearing than my aging ears! Sound comparison – the GR AT is excellent! EQ set flat on both amp and bass and played both (i) finger and pick and (ii) at both neck and bridge pups. Immediately obvious that the AT 212 is louder at a given amp volume setting. This was entirely expected when pitting a quality 2x12 4 ohm cab against a 1x12 8 ohm cab. The amp master volume was adjusted to eliminate the volume difference when comparing the sound/tone of the two cabs. Overall, there was not a huge amount of difference in tone between the two. BB2 mellower and would probably sit better “in the mix”; AT212 was richer and more resonant = more “acoustic” / akin to having reverb added to vocals. Its greater clarity and articulation mean that it would likely “cut through the mix” more easily. Whilst they both handle the open low B well, the AT212 delivered the low B with more punch whereas the BB2 was slightly muddier. From a sound / tonal perspective the AT212 got both our votes. Aside: - when I had the amp set up to optimise the tone from the BB2 to my liking (slight boost to 'presence' i.e. upper mids and treble, v slight cut to mids and lower mids and v slight boost to bass at 80Hz to give a bit more low end "weight"), my co-listener preferred the BB2 to the GR Bass as the GR started to sound sound more "metallic" to her ears with those settings. However all that is saying to me is that optimising the sound for one cab with your amp EQ won't necessarily be optimal for another cab! Construction / ease of "toppling" I commented earlier about a concern over the GR cabs being easy to topple, based on a couple of YT clips, so I specifically checked for this. The BB2 and AT212 cabs are the same weight, with the weight distributed towards the front panel. This means they are pretty stable in three directions, but both relatively easily topple front-panel-forward if knocked from the back (or possibly tugged at by the lead connected to amp perched on top of the cab, although this is probably very unlikely); the BB2 with its lower centre of gravity is the more stable of the two. But given these are backline cabs this hopefully is not a major concern. I have reservations about the apparent robustness of the construction of the GR cabs and the CEO is looking to address some of these e.g. with with strengthened corners and anti-scratch plastic / rubber bars. The BF has the feel of a sturdier construction e.g. the additional reinforced side panel on both the Barefaced BB2 and Fearless F112 structurally strengthen and provide further rigidity which the GR cabs could perhaps do well to emulate. He did say that in strength tests (e.g. being thrown 3 metres) the AT cab housing actually came out favourably against wooden housing. IMO weight advantage is of no major benefit for pure home use and where damage is likely to be minimal; its real benefit is for the (aging) gigging bassist whose backs are not as strong as in their youth! By its nature of use, gigging gear is going to get more knocks and therefore needs to be robustly constructed and designed and which is partly why Boss pedals are so well loved.

Posted by Ed Friedand on TB a couple of days back: "Just put up my demo of the AT208... And last week I did three acoustic Mavericks shows with the AT210 with a ONE 800 head, and I loved it! Totally gave me the presence I needed onstage, and we always mic the cab for most of the FOH sound. I played upright, abg, and the Cat bass, and they all sounded perfect. I was going to use an AT112, but the vertical array and slightly larger box were the right choice. My Guitar tech picked it up the first time bracing for it to weigh about 40 pounds - he almost hit himself in the face with it!" Interesting comments by Ed at the start of the video about the greater consistency of graphite vs wood (and indirectly relevant to @Hellzero and @Killed_by_Death's in depth discussion on Tonewoods and physics!) I've been corresponding with the GRBass CEO recently and he's mentioned that they're about to upgrade the units with strengthened corners and anti-scratch plastic / rubber bars on the AT models, which should address some of the residual concerns around fragile construction.

Soz gents have to disagree, but only because @BassBunny nailed it when he said: Had one myself as my first full band combo a few years back, before I traded up to a MarkBass AC 121 Lite, and it was just fine. I heard a TC BG used more recently by the bass player in a large band at an outdoors gig in Victoria Park and he sounded great; in fact I was slightly taken aback when I spotted he was using a TC BG 250 combo and not something more high end. I'd recommend the 12" (over the 15" which I had) as it should give you a tighter sound overall and is a little more compact. Built in tuner and TonePrint options are a nice bonus. They seem to be out of production, but come up used reasonably often and you should be able to get one comfortably within your budget. Here's one that sold on the forum recently, which provides a very good description of the unit: TC Electronic BG250-112 Bass Como with Roqsolid cover in good condition - Amps and Cabs For Sale - Basschat

I can "officially" confirm that one for you Woody - the WL-20 doesn't fit into the recessed socket of any of my Ibbys: SR1825, Portamento or GVB36, so I'll be reduced to using good old fashioned leads with those. A bit of slap back at 90MS delay can work a treat (very sparingly in my sets, I'll have to admit!) but Tape Echo, on the other hand, even from something as cheap and cheerful as a Zoom B1-4...now you're talking 😊