Al Krow
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What's the best way of getting that double track sound in a live setting? Is it easily do-able? I'm thinking a multi fx with parallel paths may be simplest solution in terms of moving parts? Or perhaps a signal splitter back into a mini mixer? But don't know if that's going to do much more than having a drive pedal with a good clean blend?
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Saying 14 weeks when I clicked on the Bax website! Which ties in with Zoom saying the pedal will ship in July. Liking the £135 though. But not getting the thinking behind making the patch editor only available on iOS ☹️
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Thanks - I don't trust the "delivery within 8 days" though. Going to wait until they have it in stock. I paid £104 for a new MS-60B when they first came out in 2013, which would be around £160 in today's money, so this doesn't feel all that bad given that it's saving me getting a Helix Stomp 😄 All I can find is "Handy Guitar Lab App for iOS" which isn't going to be great for us who have PC / Android. Hmmm...that could be a real downer / potential deal breaker.
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Apparently relatively straightforward midi access, which could make it a breeze to use live?
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That's an eye opening perspective. I'd assumed that 'cos we're providing the audience with a well-balanced and tight FoH sound, rather than the sometimes mush/wall of sound that you can get from an unbalanced back-line set up, the punters would generally be enjoying the gig more rather than less? Certainly we've had many good gigs in terms of audience response - so that's not been a particular issue for us so far. Do you think the lack of energy you felt in the audience was due to the PA set up? I.e. if you were stage front you might have been in a "sound well" (dunno if that's even a proper term!) and those further back were getting the full benefit of the FoH sound? I'm guessing the bands themselves were giving out the expected level of performance energy themselves? -
I'm not so sure that I can dismiss it when my bandmates comment on "not feeling it" as being simply not liking the songs, or them being out of their comfort zone - particularly when we've had many gigs with exactly the same material played really well and tightly that have not elicited the same reaction. It's been a more common sentiment since we abandoned back line entirely at the start of this year. I think there's maybe a deeper emotional connection to what sound we are hearing and feeling as musicians, which feeds into our stage performance and enjoyment of playing live?
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Interesting you mention your guitarist also...seems to be a particular issue for them in being disconnected from their sound. IEMs vs Guitar Player. Anyone else experience this? : r/livesound (reddit.com)
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Putting everything through FoH and using IEMs (or some using IEMs and one using a small stage monitor for guitar) = great for a balanced, articulate audience sound. Minimises feedback and doesn't overwhelm the IEM with stage sound. But I'm finding bandmates commenting that they're not "feeling it" at gigs. In particular the guitarist (and the rest of us tbh) missing the richness of sound that comes from hearing a quality guitar amp. Not missing the mushy wall of sound that comes from just relying on the guitar amp at full audience gig volume though! Is there a best of both worlds where we use backline at moderate stage volumes, but DI / mic up the kit to go through FoH and let the PA do the heavy lifting? Have any of you gone back to using a combination of backline and PA support after trying the silent stage approach and found that it improved your gigging experience?
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@EBS_freak - excellent sine wave MkII post, thanks Russ!
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"The MS-60B+ allows you to split output signals. This allows you to output with Amps/IR’s to a PA, while simultaneously outputting without Amps/IR’s to your amplifier." That's very neat!
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Bass --> FoH with no backline. What preamp pedal are you using?
Al Krow replied to Al Krow's topic in PA set up and use
Zoom MS-60B+ - ZOOM Europe (zoom-europe.com) I think this may just end up ticking all three boxes of solid core tone, presets and latest (by Zoom standards anyway!) chipset - I'm looking forward to finding more about this! -
Zoom MS-60B+ - ZOOM Europe (zoom-europe.com) - looking good! courtesy @TRBboy 😊
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Bass --> FoH with no backline. What preamp pedal are you using?
Al Krow replied to Al Krow's topic in PA set up and use
It's a good question, Gav. You're right there's loads of preamps out there and it would be easy for this to become another "my favourite pre-amp is..." thread. As you'll maybe remember I've had a few preamps over the years (e.g. 2Notes le Bass, Tech21 VTDI, BDDI and Q\Strip and Helix Stomp, as well as a couple of other Zoom multis) but all used in conjunction with an amp & cab set up. I've only really been using a pedal board direct to desk these past 18 months. I'm not sure that anything is necessarily missing from my current sound (yes it really is 90% in the fingers, haha!), but I'm also conscious that I've not invested much on that part of my set up and just wondering if it's worth upping my game on that side of things? So I'm keen to find if those of us going direct to FoH have found a particular pre-amp is making a positive difference to their sound and what else they've tried. Good solid core tone, is probably #1, presets (#2) and latest chipset (#3) are always nice to have but, usually but not always, tend be multifx territory. I'm maybe thinking a quality preamp for a solid core tone and a little Zoom MS60B plus when it's released in a couple of months could tick all the boxes, assuming that a dedicated preamp should be able to out do a Zoom pedal for core tone, which it should do. What's your latest pre-amp squeeze that's hit the mark for you? -
Bass --> FoH with no backline. What preamp pedal are you using?
Al Krow replied to Al Krow's topic in PA set up and use
Did you consider any alternatives when deciding Ashdown and, if so, what tipped you in favour of this one? -
Bass --> FoH with no backline. What preamp pedal are you using?
Al Krow replied to Al Krow's topic in PA set up and use
Are you hearing any difference to your FoH sound or IEM clarity from the Sansamp, or is it just different, Phil? -
Bass --> FoH with no backline. What preamp pedal are you using?
Al Krow replied to Al Krow's topic in PA set up and use
It's a good question. But I'm thinking the quality of FoH and IEM sound from using a higher end preamp should be better? So I'm keen to find out if that's folks real world experience from having tried various preamps themselves. -
Oh dear...I seem to have started something...gonna be in so much trouble if you guys are not hearing the upgrade benefit of the ZARs over the ZS 10s I'm finding - albeit from purely a home A/B and pre-gig! 😂
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As it says on the tin 🙂 Appreciate there have been a load of pre-amp threads, but was looking to have something specifically targeted for us silent stagers using IEMs. I've been using a cheap as chips Zoom multi-fx (B1-4) to provide a half-decent pre-amp, as a step up from going directly into the desk, but I've recently been thinking it maybe a slightly daft corner to be cutting! What quality, ideally compact from my perspective, preamp are you guys & gals using and what benefits to your sound in the mix are you getting from them vs any others you've used?
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@EBS_freak love it if you got a pair and gave them a comparison to some of the high end IEM ear pieces you've got? Fact is you know your way around this stuff better than most! If they get 80%+ of the way there for 10% of the price, that's a ratio many of us starting on the IEM journey would likely accept as a very decent trade off.
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Scroll back a page or so to the links provided on Ali Express by our esteemed colleagues - almost half the price they are on Amazon. And seriously for £50, they were worth a punt. Just turns out to be one of the better punts I've taken this year, haha!
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Haha nice one! Look forward to finding out whether your view of them vs the ZS 10s ties in with what I'm hearing 😊
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Actually @Woodinblack - amusingly I've just managed to locate my mislaid ZS 10s (glad I did mislay them, as it turns out, haha). Here's a pic of them side by side - the ZAR's (on the right of the pic) have a similar footprint but are deeper to allow for their better armatures. I've not got anything sensitive enough to measure their weights - but reasonable to assume they will be a little heavier. I've spent a little bit of time A/B'ing with a Spotify track (the start of Maria by Blondie as it happens!). There's a level of additional detail coming through on the ZARs that isn't there on the ZS 10s - on the guitar, most certainly on the drums (which sound flatter on the ZS 10s) and a richer tone to Debbie H's vox. The ZS 10s are decent enough, but the ZARs are unquestionably a step up and will be my goto pair going forward.
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Like you, I had a problem with just one of my KZ ZS10s falling out which is a bit weird, but I don't think we're the only ones to have mentioned this! I think the ZARs must be a little heavier as they are bigger overall in size (I mislaid my ZS10s a short while back so I don't have them on hand to directly compare). Ear shape will definitely play a part, but the better seal for me on these I suspect also means a better overall fit and therefore less likely to come out than my ZS 10s. I'll find out on Sat night when I can put them through their paces with a live band.
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KZ ZAR IEM ear pieces arrived today. Maybe they just suit my ear shape, but they are a better fit and, although bulkier, they provide a much better seal which was immediately obvious. The very much reduced "leakage" from external sounds is also going to have the added benefit of providing better ear protection, which is more than worth the entry price of these for me. I've just A/B'd with my Sennheiser IE300 which I found comparable to, if a little quieter than, my KZ ZS10s, and I can hear bass & backing tracks so much more clearly with this KZ ZAR pair. Very happy with them - already feeling like they could be a contender for the best bit of gear I'm going to get in 2024!
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Apparently decent capos for bass exist 😊
